Only around 20 to 30 years before they were born…

I explained to them that I am of Native Heritage…and that The Mormons and Tribes they crossed paths with got along fairly well.

That Mormons even participated in the Ghost Dance with Wovaca…

I said to them..In your…Book…it is written that Jesus lived with the Tribes long ago when the land was known as Turtle Island…

They said…Yes..

I said you do know there are accounts of Jesus living with Tribes long ago when it was Turtle Island from Tribes…

And they said..Yes they were aware there were such accounts…

In the Book called the Bible…Jesus did tell his Disciples after his resurrection he had to leave them to go feed sheep in other lands…before he Ascended back into the Kingdom…

Jesus did not teach..Religion…Jesus taught his Father’s Spiritual Kingdom…

If the accounts in the Mormon’s Book are correct…if the accounts & stories among Native Tribes is correct..and..If Jesus did as he said…Left his Disciples to go feed sheep in other lands…Then Jesus took on human form more than once…and has walked the earth more than once…

Cool..Huh?

In the book called the Bible..Jesus said he was going to return at a time when men thought not…

Who knows…Maybe Jesus of the Tribe of Judah..Did live & teach Tribes in Turtle Island long before it became America…that according to my reading..was patterend after the Roman Republic by those who founded America…

Senate…Mightly Legions…Taxes…

Strange world…I am just passing through this world…Having fun…

have a look at:

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/3016/newmain.htm

The Trinity Doctrine has caused many divides among true seekers. I would like to offer some thoughts on this topic based upon Jesus’ words. Without Jesus’ words I would have nothing of value to share with you.

Jesus says, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”. John 14:6

Given all the scripture that says the most important thing that God wants, is that we know Him, and thus love and obey Him, it seems quite odd that there would be confusion (contradictions) on knowing God. It seems to me that God would have revealed himself fully (of what we could comprehend) in terms of His person, Name, characteristics, etc. In fact, Jesus himself says, “I have revealed Your name to the men whom You gave to Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things, whatever You have given Me, are from You. For I have given to them the Words which You gave Me, and they have received them and have known surely that I came out from You. And they have believed that You sent Me”. “No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, FOR ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM MY FATHER I HAVE MADE KNOWN TO YOU”. John 17:6-8; 15:15 (emphasis mine)

Clearly one of Jesus’ main missions on His first coming was to reveal his Father as well as Himself as the Messiah. If this be so, how can confusion and contradiction remain regarding knowing who Jesus is and who his Father is? We are not talking about an infinite aspect of God’s nature, but rather the issue of WHO GOD IS. In the above sayings of Jesus, He CLEARLY distinguishes between his Father and Himself.

When the Son says, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46; why can’t we receive the plain meaning? Why must we instead run to strange psycho-philosophical, “dual nature” explanations? Perhaps because we are hanging onto a tradition of men?

The Trinitarian view is that while they (the Father and the Son) are separate persons, yet they are the same God. This view is irrational and contradictory and there are many hundreds of verses that plainly state that Jesus and His Father are not the same person.

Here are a few more:

“Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father”. Matthew 20:23

So Jesus, being God, has not the authority to grant places of honor for his servants? Doesn’t it seem fairly obvious that this “Father”, that Jesus speaks of is “greater than” Jesus? And if Jesus is the Most High God, how could that be?

“Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God”. Mark 10:18

Jesus, sinless, yet in his humility, flatly denied that he was the Most High God. As always, he honored his Father above himself.

“Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will”. Mark 14:36

It is possible for the One Perfect God’s will to be divided?

“My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me”? Matthew 27:46

God the Most High, has a God? The Most HIgh God can forsake Himself?

No one has seen God at any time”. John 1:18 & John 4:12

What more can be said?

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth”. John 4:24

Jesus teaches that, “God is spirit,” not that God is flesh, and thus the truth that “No one has seen God at any time”.

“If you loved me, you would rejoice because I said, “I am going to the Father’, for my Father is greater than I”. John 14:28

If Jesus is truly the Most High God, equal with his Father, then how can his Father be “greater” than he, in any respect? This is especially true in this context, as the context speaks nothing about physical things or his physical nature.

“I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God”. John 20:17

Jesus is ascending to his “God”. How can the Most High God have a God???

Why do christians reject the hundreds of verses of scripture that refute the Trinitarian view, in favor of the less than half a dozen which appear to support it?

Jesus of Nazareth is properly honored by believing who He says He is, not by making himself into something he is not. If someone comes along and says that Jesus of Nazareth ought to be honored ABOVE his Father, are you going to do that?

So, how do we get to know the heavenly Father and His Son?

The only source to get to know the Father is the scripture, and the Father’s greatest, clearest revealing of Himself is through His Son, Jesus. Jesus’ Words are found in the gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. For who else has said, “For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. “I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore, the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me. John 12:49-50

And again, Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.” John 8:28

And who testified in return about the Son? The Father Himself spoke from heaven and said, “While He was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” Matthew 17:5

Of who else can these things be said? Of David or Solomon? Of Peter or Paul? No, of only one, the Father’s chosen Messiah, His beloved Son. Are Moses words Jesus’ Words? Are Isaiah’s words Jesus’ Words? The simple answer to these questions is NO. Jesus’ Words are Jesus’ Words. Of His Words, he says, “Heaven and earth will pass away, by MY words will not pass away.” Matthew 24:35

Letting a man deceive you on this matter includes believing the clergyman/hireling when he tells you that this other man or men’s words are equal to Jesus’ Words. When the clergymen start with, “well, the other writers of the bible also spoke God’s words with equal clairty…”, you will now have the choice before you on which voice to listen to. You have read Jesus’ Words above which rebuke that belief, so now you must choose.

It should be obvious that if we love Jesus, we will want to know Him and to get to know Him, we must read His Words.

God our Father has ordained that in order to get to know Him we must read His Son’s Words, seek to understand them, receive the words like little children into our hearts and do them.

If we do all that Jesus says you will know that “You are already “clean” because of the word which I have spoken to you”. John 15:3 To be “clean” means to be accepted by Jesus’ Father. And that means Life eternal!

May we avail ourselves of this glorious salvation, and not play the fool by participating in the religion game thinking that we will successfully substitute the shallow counterfeit for the genuine.