Comments on: Report: GOP Initiative To ‘Steal’ White House Is Lagging But Still Viable http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/ News and Opinion on Politics and Media Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:12:35 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jon http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/comment-page-1/#comment-426103 Jon Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:18:36 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-white-house-is-lagging-but-still-viable/#comment-426103 Carolyn - Yes, each address is checked by local elections officials in the districts where the signers claim to live. Carolyn – Yes, each address is checked by local elections officials in the districts where the signers claim to live.

]]> By: cal1942 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/comment-page-1/#comment-426077 cal1942 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:45:22 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-white-house-is-lagging-but-still-viable/#comment-426077 "when I told the man I didn’t live in California, he said he didn’t care." comment by Carolyn. He doesn't care because he's paid x number of dollars for each signature. These people are not volunteers. “when I told the man I didn’t live in California, he said he didn’t care.”

comment by Carolyn.

He doesn’t care because he’s paid x number of dollars for each signature.

These people are not volunteers.

]]> By: carolyn http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/comment-page-1/#comment-425720 carolyn Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:05:07 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-white-house-is-lagging-but-still-viable/#comment-425720 When I was visiting in California one year I was asked to sign a petition, and when I told the man I didn't live in California, he said he didn't care. I cared and wasn't about to sign. What kind of people do they hire to go around with their wonderful petitions? Does anyone really check the addresses of the signers? When I was visiting in California one year I was asked to sign a petition, and when I told the man I didn’t live in California, he said he didn’t care. I cared and wasn’t about to sign. What kind of people do they hire to go around with their wonderful petitions? Does anyone really check the addresses of the signers?

]]> By: GOPHater http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/comment-page-1/#comment-425697 GOPHater Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:29:11 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-white-house-is-lagging-but-still-viable/#comment-425697 Look at the last few elections the republic party has won. They can only win if they cheat. Even to the point of having the "supreme" court do it for them. It's really quite pitiful. Until we purge them all from the face of the earth we will have to put up with their treason. Look at the last few elections the republic party has won. They can only win if they cheat. Even to the point of having the “supreme” court do it for them. It’s really quite pitiful. Until we purge them all from the face of the earth we will have to put up with their treason.

]]> By: Will http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/comment-page-1/#comment-425659 Will Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:04:36 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-white-house-is-lagging-but-still-viable/#comment-425659 Let's see. He who enlists "signature gatherers" to use "bait and switch tactics to attract voters to sign the petitions by first offering a petition to increase cancer funding for children" not only admits to being "an anti-Hillary supporter,”but asserts that "Bill and her are lowlifes...they are very yuck...yucky people. If you look at her record in her life, it’s been a record of conflict..." describing them as 'fucking assholes' and 'pricks.'” Outrageous is not the word. Let’s see. He who enlists “signature gatherers” to use “bait and switch tactics to attract voters to sign the petitions by first offering a petition to increase cancer funding for children” not only admits to being “an anti-Hillary supporter,”but asserts that “Bill and her are lowlifes…they are very yuck…yucky people. If you look at her record in her life, it’s been a record of conflict…” describing them as ‘fucking assholes’ and ‘pricks.’”

Outrageous is not the word.

]]> By: joreko http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/comment-page-1/#comment-425656 joreko Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:48:26 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-white-house-is-lagging-but-still-viable/#comment-425656 The proposal to divide California's electoral votes by congressional district feeds on everyone’s frustration with the current system of electing the President. The district approach is much worse than the current system. The proposed ballot measure would not, as claimed, make California relevant in presidential elections. The presidential race is a foregone conclusion in 50 of the state’s 53 congressional districts. Candidates would have no incentive to pay any more attention than they do now to the remaining 50 districts. Even if the proposed district system were used by all 50 states, there are only 41 congressional districts (out of 435 in the country) that are competitive in presidential races. Over 90% of the people would be left out of the presidential election because they happen to live in non-competitive districts. This would be even worse than the current system, where two-thirds are left out. A district system would make it far more likely to elect a candidate who loses the national popular vote. It does not accurately reflect the nationwide popular vote. In 2004, Bush’s won 50.7% of the popular vote, but 59% of the districts. In 2000, the current system gave Bush 271 electoral votes (with 270 needed to win), but Bush won 55% of the districts. A national popular vote is the way to make every person’s vote equally important, and to guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who gets the most votes in all 50 states (and DC). The National Popular Vote bill has 364 legislative sponsors in 47 states. It has been signed into law in Maryland. Since its introduction in February 2006, the bill has passed by 11 legislative houses (one house in Colorado, Arkansas, and North Carolina, and two houses in Maryland, Illinois, Hawaii, and California). The National Popular Vote bill would not take effect piecemeal, but only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes --- that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill is enacted in a group of states possessing 270 or more electoral votes, all of the electoral votes from those states would be awarded, as a bloc, to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). The bill would thus guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). See www.NationalPopularVote.com The proposal to divide California’s electoral votes by congressional district feeds on everyone’s frustration with the current system of electing the President.

The district approach is much worse than the current system.

The proposed ballot measure would not, as claimed, make California relevant in presidential elections. The presidential race is a foregone conclusion in 50 of the state’s 53 congressional districts. Candidates would have no incentive to pay any more attention than they do now to the remaining 50 districts.

Even if the proposed district system were used by all 50 states, there are only 41 congressional districts (out of 435 in the country) that are competitive in presidential races. Over 90% of the people would be left out of the presidential election because they happen to live in non-competitive districts. This would be even worse than the current system, where two-thirds are left out.

A district system would make it far more likely to elect a candidate who loses the national popular vote. It does not accurately reflect the nationwide popular vote. In 2004, Bush’s won 50.7% of the popular vote, but 59% of the districts. In 2000, the current system gave Bush 271 electoral votes (with 270 needed to win), but Bush won 55% of the districts.

A national popular vote is the way to make every person’s vote equally important, and to guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who gets the most votes in all 50 states (and DC).

The National Popular Vote bill has 364 legislative sponsors in 47 states. It has been signed into law in Maryland. Since its introduction in February 2006, the bill has passed by 11 legislative houses (one house in Colorado, Arkansas, and North Carolina, and two houses in Maryland, Illinois, Hawaii, and California).

The National Popular Vote bill would not take effect piecemeal, but only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes — that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill is enacted in a group of states possessing 270 or more electoral votes, all of the electoral votes from those states would be awarded, as a bloc, to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). The bill would thus guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

See http://www.NationalPopularVote.com

]]> By: Maezeppa http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-wh-lags/comment-page-1/#comment-425407 Maezeppa Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:42:49 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/12/02/report-gop-initiative-to-steal-white-house-is-lagging-but-still-viable/#comment-425407 Even if it passed the initiative would not be applicable to the 2008 race. In all probability the initiative would not be constitutional. Even if it passed the initiative would not be applicable to the 2008 race.

In all probability the initiative would not be constitutional.

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