I certainly won’t. Why bother? In fact, I’ve never been able to stomach ANY of them, and this one’s just pointless.

Will We Even Bother to Tune In to Bush’s Final SOTU Address?…

Four reasons, by the numbers, you probably won’t watch Bush’s final State of the Union speech tonight….

No self respecting Democrat will watch the SOTU tonight. In keeping with their general denial of the Bush Presidency, they don’t care to care and why should they; they have their polls to keep them warm. 20% here, 28% there, here a 41, there a 31 and Old McDonald Had a Farm.

Fortunately, the President doesn’t give a rat’s ass about polls and any president who does isn’t worth a rat’s ass. The President isn’t there to be popular so it’s hardly a big deal if he’s not.

Speaking of polls, FDR didn’t seem to give a rat’s ass either when back in the late 30’s, he defied the polls and worked out his “lend/lease” plan for G/Britain. Most Americans back then, screw Britain, didn’t want America involved. FDR was right and the polls represented wrong thinking on the part of the American public.

Speaking of polls, does anyone remember Bush’s approval ratings back in ‘01/’02/’03? Does anyone remember the overwhelming support of the American people for Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Polls are no indication of right or wrong. There was a time not long ago when “seperate but equal” might have carried the day.

The American people don’t have and should not have a direct voice in policy decisions. They don’t get to decide when we leave Iraq, for instance. They don’t get to decide America’s Foreign Policy. That is why we have a President.

The American people, most of whom couldn’t find America on World Map, can bitch and moan; they can be lead by hard of thinking liberals to shallow and incompetent concepts but they don’t get to make the nitty gritty decisions, thank God. We have a President who takes on that responsibility and has, by all empirical and unbiased evidence, has done it very well.

Monroe, you were doing just fine until your very last sentence. I actually feel sorry for you.

Monroe - Disdain for the intelligence of the American people coming from a Bush-worshiper is particularly rich since the U.S. has never had a president who was a bigger dumbass.

Your beloved Dear Leader was awarded C’s at Yale instead of the failing grades he earned because, instead of studying, he spent his days drinking, doing drugs, torturing inductees into his frat with cigarettes and red hot coat hangers and, of course, being a cheerleader. He couldn’t find Texas on a map when he left college.

If you hate America so much, you should start packing now so that you can move with the Bush cabal to the 100,000 acre compound in the Chaco of Paraguay he has purchased.

There you can spend the rest of your life in service to your Supreme Leader (kneepads provided!), protected behind a razor-wire perimeter by a Halliburton militia paid for by the billions the Great Bush has looted from the U.S. Treasury. Not only will the Halliburton militia keep out those who would have Bush hauled before a tribunal on war crimes, they will prevent worshipers like yourself from ever leaving — not that you would ever give up the chance to grow old in disgrace alongside your beneficent Leader.

But here’s a tip: When the time comes to drink the Kool-Aid, try the Grape. The Jonestown cultists preferred it over the Cherry flavor, two to one.

John,

Thanks for your sympathy but I thought I was doing pretty good all the way through the last sentence with the exception of the typo…sorry. It is hard, however, not to notice your lack of rebuttal to the remarks preceding it. If you assert the last sentence was so far off I will admit it is simply my opinion but I will also assert it is not mine alone.

My goodness, Madison,

Did I hit a nerve? Was there something in there that may have finally tweaked your consciousness?

The disdain you reproach isn’t so much for the American people. I was in total agreement with their support of the war. I’m simply pointing out that polls reflect the emotions of those polled, more often than any true understanding of any question at hand. I stand by my assertion that most of them couldn’t find America on a world map; however “No Child Left Behind”, thanks to Bush and “Chappaquiddick Man” may eventually have some impact on that sad problem.

With regard to Bush’s grades, I seem to remember even Chris Matthews admitting that Bush’s MBA from Yale is impressive and if I’m not mistaken, he carried a better GPA than his ’04 rival, the four month war hero, Kerry. Your characterization of Bush as a “dumbass” simply won’t cut it. On one hand liberals make him out to be diabolical, Machiavellian; an evil genius, if you will, while on the other you make claims you just can’t back up. I think it is an unsupported argument that a guy who reaches the top government job in his state and who is twice elected to the Presidency is a dumbass. Gore wasn’t able to match that nor was Kerry. Are they dumber than the dumbass?

BTW, there was a little something in your last response I’d like to explore further. You say during Bush’s military time in Texas he was doing drugs, drinking, and chasing women (and maybe some boys). Then you say Limbaugh was afflicted with anal warts perhaps to imply a STD manifested anally. Both of those statements sound a smidge homophobic to me. Do you suffer some neurotic and most un-Democratic and un-American hatred of homosexuals? That’s not very PC.

Another thing you might not be aware of is that his fraternity hazing didn’t involve burning pledges with cigarettes. Unfortunately, it appears you may have read the account of that hazing incident in the pseudo psychological “study from afar” done by the “legend in his own mind” psychologist, Dr. Justin Frank. I also read his account of the hazing and knew right away that his distortions would lead the unsuspecting to conclude cigarettes had been used. The good doctor wrote that the tip of a red hot wire coat hanger was used to touch the lower back of the initiate. He also reports that Bush’s response was that it was similar to the pain that might be caused by a lit cigarette. Next, Dr. Frank uses Bush’s words to lead the reader to believe it was a lit cigarette that was used. He then goes on to elaborate on the scarring that would likely result from being burned with a lit cigarette. It’s called a non sequitur, meaning “it does not follow”. Go back and read it again. This time try to understand what’s being said.

Your charge that Bush couldn’t find Texas on a map is also a benighted claim. Not only did he find it, he became its Governor.

How do you come to the conclusion I hate America? I love America and I am most especially proud that America stands for freedom around the world; regardless of the pain, consternation, and suffering it causes liberals.

I’m not aware of the 100,000 acre spread in Paraguay but if it is as environmentally sensitive as his smaller spread in Crawford, it shouldn’t be a problem. Google the Crawford Ranch and you’ll see what a remarkably environmentally friendly place ole dumbass has there. I’m surprised you’d suggest he could find Paraguay on a map.

Another thing you may not know, among many, is that the majority owner of Haliburton is or was, I believe, a Democrat, a close friend or associate of the Johnson’s, as in Lyndon Baines. The GAO concluded that there were only two companies in the world that could perform the services required in Afghanistan and Iraq and of the two, Haliburton was best suited for the task; the primary reason they were granted a “no bid” contract. If I were Haliburton’s CEO, I might seriously consider pulling out of Iraq. The level of profit they net for their services there is well behind the average profit they make on less dangerous and disruptive projects. I saw their profit figures on C-Span. I know you must hate learning that, sorry.

You must also be a little mixed up on the “knee pad” thing. I think President Bubba took those with him, among other little knick knacks, when he and Tammy Wynette made their way back to their ancestral home in Chappaqua.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a Krispy Kreme that neither Bush nor I will ever suffer any disgrace comparable with Bill’s Oval Office peccadilloes with the fat little “I did not have sex with that woman” intern. By the way, you do understand that Bubba was not impeached because of his lack of sensitivity to that office but rather for having lied, under oath, in a sexual harassment lawsuit in which he was the defendant. Please don’t give me that tired and untrue argument, “He only lied about sex”. A Federal Court handed down a perjury conviction and Bubba can no longer practice law because lawyers, no less, thought he might not be the shining example to which they aspire. He might be able to get a license to sell used cars.

I haven’t drunk Kool-Aid in years; nor have I ever allowed myself to be bullied by those whose hate clouds what little judgment they can muster.

Nice hearing from you again,
Monroe

Monroe, “Hit a nerve” is opposite of the sensation I had when I read your comment. The regurg of GOP talking points was so predictable and boring that it barely held my attention. Had I given a damn, I really would have felt embarrassment for you.

What rightwingers don’t know is that the “liberal” media feels compelled to give what they call “both sides” of political issues. This means we get GOP talking points crammed down our throats 24/7. So we have heard everything you have said here — over and over and over.

Conservative media only presents one set of positions on the issues, as evidenced by your admitted ignorance of what your Dear Leader has been up to.This propaganda is repeated on rightwing radio, Fox News and on the MSNBC shows hosted by Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews, who is the biggest Clinton-hater in town except for Maureen Dowd — as well as in all the news breaks in between.

And yet we can still tell a lie from the truth. The liberal brain is inured from the conservatives’ Big Lie brainwashing technique: the idea that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true. This only works among people who are dim-witted or prone to delusions. In reality, George Bush is plainly afflicted with a stunted ability to learn and to reason — as is evidenced by the fact that he has failed at every endeavor he has ever undertaken, including especially the presidency. This is partly due to his secret affliction with dyslexia, but may also be a result of brain damage. (Just for grins, here’s a video of Bush drunk at a wedding in 1992, four years after he supposedly quit boozing. I’m sure you haven’t heard that he was laid up drunk on his ranch when Katrina hit.)

That you still believe that Clinton’s sex lie is worse than, or even comparable to, the 935 lies Bush and his co-conspirators told the country and the world to take us into Iraq — and the 600,000 to 1 million innocent, needless Iraqi deaths that resulted, and especially the maiming and killing of our troops for no reason whatsoever — means that there is a gulf so wide between normal people and rightwingers that it will never ever be broached.

What sex-hating conservatives can’t handle about the Clinton impeachment is the fact that the GOP cabal who pursued Clinton’s sex life was in reality a motley collection of lechers and philanderers. Every single member of the GOP impeachment leadership turned out to be a notorious adulterer.

Rep. Bob Barr, who drafted the first bills of impeachment, was a thrice-married serial adulterer who paid to abort at least one of his children. Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole left his first wife for a stewardess whom he ensconced in a do-nothing job in his Senate office. House Speaker Newt Gingrich was boffing one of his staffers while the impeachment was underway. The House impeachment chairman, Rep. Henry Hyde, had an affair with a married woman, and when confronted by her husband during the impeachment hearings, claimed it was a mistake he made in his youth. (He was 49.)

Rep. Dan Burton, a nasty, snarling proclaimer of “family values,” who relentlessly pursued Clinton’s sex life as chair of Govt Oversight, was forced to admit he’d fathered a child out of wedlock and then abandoned him. At least one GOP senator, Tim Hutchinson of Arkansas, a married-for-28-years Baptist minister whose brother Rep. Asa Hutchinson was an impeachment manager, voted to impeach and then went back to his office and snogged one of his staffers. And then there was Rep. Bob Livingston, who was ready to assume the speakership after Gingrich’s hypocrisy and adulteries were revealed, only to find himself forced to admit he was a regular participant in S&M orgies.

Finally, there was Richard Mellon Scaife, whose millions paid to dig up dirt on the Clintons’ personal life, most of which was later debunked. These lies told by Arkansas yahoos and racists to clueless Yankees — who bribed them handsomely for lies they would have gladly told for free — made their way through the greasy palms of the unprincipled Ted Olson and the odious R. Emmit Tyrrell into the hands of their buddy Ken Starr who wasted $60 million of the treasury to investigate the size and curvature of Clinton’s penis, to force him to undergo a paternity test that proved he was not the father of a mixed-race child and to pursue the whole Whitewater nothing-burger. Now Scaife admits that at the time he was writing checks for millions of dollars to the “Arkansas Project,” he was cheating on his first wife with the wife a friend. He then married his mistress and now she has caught him having an LTR with a former prostitute. Scaife now says he believes in “open marriage.”

And while all this falderol and frippery was going on, Osama bin Laden was plotting our destruction. These Republicans all have the blood of 9/11 of their hands. They should be held in contempt and disgust by everyone who loves this country.

Sadly, I suspect you are right that Bush will slink away personally unscathed by his atrocities and the tremendous damage he’s done to this great country. His only penance will be growing old in disgrace. Perhaps like his henchman, Gonzo, he may find the “ol’ coffers” are a little harder to refill than he thinks now. (Not that he cares since his family holdings are worth a cool $1 billion.)

If so, I hope he lives a long, healthy life, despite the early damage done to his brain by cocaine and booze — long enough to see his legacy set in the stone tablets of history: George W. Bush is now and will always be America’s Worst President Ever.

Dear Editors,

Thanks for the NYT article of 1967. It does not refute my claim that Dr. Justin Frank distorted the facts. He did. “How would Bush know what a cigarette burn feels like?” Gee, I don’t know; great point. It is certainly damning evidence that he might have some idea about how that would feel. I see what you’re getting at.

I’m not a big fan of hazing but back in the late 60’s and perhaps today, it was/is an all too common practice in most frats and sororities. Being touched on the lower back with the “tip” of a hot coat hanger must certainly smart however I doubt it does much permanent damage. I’m not condoning it; just pointing out it’s really not right up there with say, sucking an almost newborn’s brains out of his head.

I am aware of Halliburton’s move. My comments related to their ownership, their unique abilities to meet customer needs, and their profit margin in Iraq. Do you have anything to add there? Maybe we should have hired Starbucks although that might have truly put a crimp in the budget.

Not sure what a “Freeper” is but if it’s your attempt to label me, please go right ahead. You guys are so creative. Do let me know what you think it means. Regarding Bubba’s impeachment, it is obviously and painfully true he was not removed from office. I believe the Senate has some rules and votes that aren’t quite the same as in a Federal Court. You are right that his perjury was related to a crime he attempted before he was President and I believe court records reflect a hefty out-of-court settlement. I don’t think I’m wrong about his perjury conviction and he was disbarred. Was that simply another “vast right-wing conspiracy” perpetrated by the ultra conservative American Bar Association? I didn’t say he was convicted by the Senate. Maybe it was a just a little ole Contempt of Court citation. I think that’s a crime. Check the NYT for that.

Regarding your claim that you police liars on your site, that truly takes the cake. I seem to be the only contributor to whom that subjective rule applies. The lies you attribute to me in some cases don’t even relate to what I said. Surely, you can do better than that.

Madison’s diatribe purporting to know the private sex lives of every Republican Senator who ever took the oath, seems a little suspicious. Is it a true claim that Bush and his “co-conspirators” told 935 lies? Are you sure it wasn’t 937, 821, or 750 (a very popular number) and, if so, would you please prove just one. It was not a lie when he stated in a previous SOTU that British Intel had concluded Saddam was attempting to do some shopping in Niger.

Madison also presents as proven that Bush was layed up drunk at the ranch, the very environmentally friendly ranch, in Crawford during Katrina. Is there any proof this is one of your truths allowed on the site.

Is it true that America caused 600,000 to 1 million “needless” Iraqi deaths? “Needless” might be a term difficult to justify regarding the deaths of Uday and Kusay, sic. Was Zarqawi’s death needless? Oh! Sorry, you have me there. He wasn’t an Iraqi just a resident alien, right? Madison’s numbers are impossible to verify. There are some pretty verifiable numbers when it comes to the number of Iraqis voting for the first time in their lives.

Put your “truth meter” back in your pants unless you intend to use it to scrutinize all comments. I agree you probably can’t do that and maintain your self serving idea of a “lie free” zone.

Thanks for setting me straight. (Can I use the word “straight” here or does that smack of right wing ideology too?)

Monroe

Monroe,

- Editors

Madison,

If your reference to “liberal” media giving both sides is Air America or Keith Olbermann, I think the “truth police” may put your name on a warrant. Or, is that just your opinion? You’re certainly allowed to have loads of them. Opinions aren’t necessarily facts; which I’m quick to admit. I certainly have mine.

I am impressed with your staggering personal knowledge of the private sex lives of every known Republican Senator, past and present. Were you hiding somewhere or do you simply suffer from an overactive imagination? Do you have some obsession with adulterous sex or are you planning a “tell all” book? How long did it take you to compile all that and, if it’s true, so what?

My argument isn’t with Bubba’s overactive, addictive sex life. I don’t care who he “snogs” so long as he isn’t using his “Office”, his position, and Arkansas State Troopers to coerce women into either doing him or, in their minds, possibly losing their jobs. His case, which was resolved through a substantial out-of-court settlement, was about sexual harassment, not adultery. He has also been somewhat credibly accused of having raped one of his victims but that’s not about sex either. I suppose it was that ultra conservative, working-in-the-White-House, right-wing hussy, Kathleen Willey who came onto to him just 45 minutes after her husband died. That Bubba is certainly a “class” act.

I was unable to open the “Bush Drunk in ‘92” link you forwarded. I will go to the sure-to-be fair and unbiased website that features that. I’ll let you know how that turns out. By the way, might you have a link to video of “Chappaquiddick Man” drunk and sopping wet while Mary Jo Kopeckne was dying in his car? I’ll check with Air America.

Thank you for your good wishes for Bush to have a long and healthy life. That’s really sweet. I hope so, too. There, it seems we are in agreement about that. He seems to take pretty good care of his health. He jogs, plays golf, and has been known to do some strenuous fishing at his dad’s place up in Maine. I haven’t noticed any cocaine or booze damage but I’ll watch for it. Please let me know if you see anything.

I suppose it is true that during Bubba’s impeachment, Osama was making plans but he’d been doing that for a long time anyway. To say that Republicans have the blood of 9/11 on their hands is a little over the top, in my opinion. (Note to Editors: Does Madison get that by the Truth Meter?) If I’m not mistaken I think it was a bunch of mostly Saudi terrorists who were found responsible for that. I believe there were a few who died during the ’93 attempted destruction of the WTC, the attack on the Cole, the deaths in Somalia, Bosnia, and the unfortunate circumstances of Vince Foster’s alleged suicide. I don’t really blame Bubba for all that but I do think he might have done a better job in responding to those and other attacks on America. Perhaps he was just too busy using Monica’s ashtray.

I don’t believe you or I will ever see Bush “slink away” from anything. He seems to be doing ok and, so far, staying out of jail. I’ll say it again, if you or any of your other liberal associates have hard proof of any of this opinion you have regarding his culpability, sue him, impeach him, put him in jail. Maybe he is just too smart, a master criminal, to have escaped the justice of your unproven charges. What a dumbass!

I look forward to history’s examination of the Bush legacy. I believe, again just my opinion, that he will be lauded for his resolute stand against America’s foreign enemies, if not her domestic ones. You guys can blather all you want about how much you hate him and what a terrible human being he is but that just don’t make it so. Your opinion is that he is “America’s Worst President Ever” and that no matter who succeeds him, he will always be that. That’s pretty tidy; all tied up and a prediction to be relied on; sounds a little “yellow dog” to me. Have you ever met a Republican you like, other than me, of course?

I know it is tough having someone in the White House with whom you disagree. It’s only another year; too long for you and too short for me but I intend to enjoy it while it lasts.

I only wish I could vote for Bush/Cheney in ’08. We are going to need another dynamic leader to continue fighting this war and should one of your guys win, I hope he or she will take it as seriously as Bush has. I believe, regardless who wins, the next President will have no choice but to step up to the plate and you probably won’t like that either.

Regards,
Monroe

If you wish Bush and Cheney could have additional terms, you really do hate America.

All of the info about the impeachers’ adulteries came out during the impeachment except for Hutchinson’s which came a few weeks later and cost him reelection the following year. I’m sure it was suppressed in rightwing media. But if you can find information that refutes any of these men’s sexual histories, bring it on. (You seem to be a bit new at this. This is how it works: If you challenge a fact, you have to provide a link to the refutation. This is often done with what your borderline retarded Dear Leader once called “the Google.” If you don’t know how to do it, ask your mom or your secretary or whoever finds stuff on the Internet for you.)

The video link works. You know that all you have to do is click it, right? (Ask mom or secretary for help. It’s very easy.) It’s from the Smoking Gun, which is owned by a giant corporation, GE, I think. You really need to see Dear Leader in all his glory:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/bush/bush_tsg.mov

Editors,

It is refreshing to hear you admit jumping to the conclusion that I am a “Freeper”. I don’t think it is your first and only jump.

I will accept your information about the perjury conviction although not being convicted is not proof of innocence. It does not alter the fact that he did lie, under oath, in a deposition taken in that case. That kinda sorta sounds like perjury regardless of his not having been convicted. Perhaps, he just got away with it, like OJ. Am I wrong about that or the Contempt of Court citation? Was it inappropriate that he was disbarred?

I do get a little suspicious however, of claims like “all”, “never” and characterizations of lying that are more a matter of opinion than fact. A lie is a deliberate attempt to deceive. That’s what Clinton did. To make a false statement, like calling me a Freeper, could be chalked up as mistaken. If Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al, believed the reports evidencing Saddam’s WMD, his plans to regenerate his nuclear program, and concluded from several worldwide intelligence sources that he was indeed a threat, would you characterize that as a deliberate attempt to deceive? Did this exhaustive study you cite also mention the false statements made by others on Capitol Hill with regard to the threat posed by Saddam Hussein; some of which were made prior to the ’00 election and 9/11?

You say this exhaustive study, done by whom, has come out nearly five years after the invasion of Iraq. Surely the exhaustive study must have only recently come out; in that it has not yet been five years since the March ’03 invasion of Iraq? I know it’s hard to keep up with how long we’ve truly been there since most liberals believe it has been six or seven years. For the record, I will guarantee you that some of your liberal contributors will begin saying we’ve been in Iraq for six years, shortly after the fifth anniversary. We will be in our sixth year but we have not been there for six years. They started using five years as their benchmark more than a year ago. By the way, I have proof that study was done by left-wing hacks backed and paid for by Al Franken. (I’m simply trying to get the truth police to come out and refute the Al Franken reference and hopefully identify the source of the study, assuming they know)

There are many who will still state, unequivocally, that Iraq had WMD and links to Al Qaeda. Interview some Iranian soldiers and ask if Saddam had WMD. I’m aware of one study which affirmed that a high Al Qaeda operative, Zarqawi, was living in Baghdad before the invasion. He was killed there. Now, you may certainly claim that Saddam and Al Qaeda had no love for each other however it will be more difficult to argue that Saddam didn’t know of Zarqawi’s presence in Baghdad. It wouldn’t be a tremendous leap to characterize that as a “link” and a dangerous one, at that.

Thanks also for the admission that you only edit the lies and false statements of rightwingers. I thought that to be the case but didn’t want to jump to a conclusion. Obviously, your suggestion to go elsewhere for the whole truth is sincere. Let me know when and if you get an “ancient scuttlebutt” truth monitor. Did it make any sense to you that the President might have considered and been sensitive to how the entourage of a President of the United States may have been more of a hindrance to the Katrina relief effort than a help? What would you have had him do there other than be in the way? No, you’d rather believe “ancient scuttlebutt” which leaves me a little perplexed in determining your idea of truth. By the way, what’s your idea of “ancient”? Katrina made landfall a little over two years ago.

The truth, which can be well argued and advanced, is that Saddam Hussein was a threat regardless of any other “ancient scuttlebutt”. Those charged with the protection of American interests were confronted with what was submitted as good intel not just from NSA and the CIA but from Israel, France, the UN and others which would have led any right thinking leader to consider taking action which is what the Congress and the President did; with the overwhelming approval of the majority of the American people. Were we all wrong back then? I sure as hell don’t think so. Hindsight may be 20/20 but it can also be very subjective. Was invading Iraq and removing the perceived threat the right thing to do. It was certainly the most prudent, at the time.

Consider one other thing. After 9/11, with the evidence, as presented by many different and credible sources, which concluded the threat, the WMD, the link to Al Qaeda, and the Niger connection asserted by the Brits, how would you have felt if any President had simply said, “Don’t worry, regardless of the evidence, we don’t think any of these reports are true so we’re not going to do anything about it.” I’d have been screaming for the impeachment and removal of any President who would have responded in that manner. I think you would have too although now your selective memory won’t let you access that “ancient scuttlebutt”.

Monroe
PS…does clicking that box asking to be notified of new comments actually do anything or doesn’t it work for rightwingers?

Madison,
Did you really say “borderline retard”? Are you really a Democrat? “Retard” went out with the 70’s. First you make assertions which can be construed as homophobic and now this “retard” reference. You need a PC sensitivity course, and quick.

There you go again, attributing emotions to me, hate for America, based on what I believe to be your screwed up views. It will surprise you, I’m sure, but I’m not alone in my love for and pride in America and in my wish to have a few more years of sane, grown up, government, Bush/Cheney ’08, for instance.

In case you didn’t understand, I didn’t refute any of the assertions you made regarding the sexual proclivities of the Republican Senate. I couldn’t help notice however that according to your account, Democrats seem somewhat asexual; notwithstanding Bubba’s and Barney Frank’s valiant efforts to turn that around. While I may doubt its complete veracity, what I said in response was “So what”, as in I don’t really care. I’m not a big fan of adultery; neither do I obsess about it. What consenting adults do behind closed doors is of little interest to me. Get over it!

You are right. I am a bit new to this but; so far, I believe I have it well in hand. Your link did not work. I got a dialogue box indicating an error. I will go watch your “Bush ’92 Drunk” video on the website you mentioned. Would that be www.smokinggun.com? BTW, why would Bush’s being drunk on his ass at a wedding in ’92 have anything to do with the here and now? Do you have a link to a video of the “ancient scuttlebutt” of him drunk at the ranch during Katrina? I don’t think so. The guy has admitted he’s a recovering alcoholic. That doesn’t make him unique in this world. I’m surprised you find yourself unable to exercise a little more compassion for that disease. Are you really a Democrat? I have several good friends who are and they seem more compassionate and politically correct than you can manage.

I know how to use Google, Yahoo, and several other search engines. I not only know how to use it for information, I made a good deal of money on its stock, early on. How do you think I found this stellar site where Liberals are allowed to play fast and loose with the truth; very Clintonesque, I might add? I can also use it as a verb as in “Google Bush’s Crawford ranch”. Did you do that? Tell you what, here’s a link to get you there. You will be able to read about Bush’s ranch and you’ll know that “snopes” has verified the information. You won’t need the biased “Truth Police” this time. Click this link, www.snopes.com and type “tale of two houses” in the “search” box. It should be the first of the links found. You might get some ideas on how to reduce your carbon emissions. Think how happy that would make Bubba, Jr. Based on his rather large footprint, we should all make a little more effort in order to offset his extravagance.

I’ll let you know as soon as I have viewed your all important ’92 video. I’m making popcorn.

Monroe

We “admitted” the policy only applies to rightwingers repeatedly.

But you are so invested in your delusions that you will never see it. Or maybe you will wake up one day. If that happens, it won’t be pretty.

Editors,

Your may have “admitted” the policy only applies to rightwingers, repeatedly but you admitted it me, only yesterday, for the first time. Forgive my shock at learning of its application to only one side of any argument. I mentioned this policy last night to my girlfriend, a left leaning Independent. Her response, not surprisingly, was to wonder if anything written by your leftwingers could be believed. She wondered also why a group so invested in the “lies” of the President would tolerate lies from any source. Is it the lies you don’t like or is it just the President you don’t like? That, in my opinion, is indicative of most of the liberal mindset. “We can lie but you can’t….’cause you’re wrong”, a self-righteous policy indicative of your actual disdain for the truth. I believe you’ll have to admit that too. Oh! Wait! In essence, you already have.

Saddam told his US interrogator he didn’t have WMD. That’s rich! For your information, I don’t care if Bush misspoke saying there were no WMD. How would he or anyone else know there were no WMD? At best, it can only truthfully be said that no WMD have been found. Just because something can’t be found isn’t necessarily indicative of its nonexistence. Here’s that syllogism for you. “Saddam had WMD. The WMD haven’t been found. Therefore, there were no WMD.” Sorry, but that is your argument and Bush’s if he has said there are/were no WMD. Saddam’s admission, if you believe him, came well after the invasion. Its too bad he wasn’t able to convince the world of that little secret in ’02 or in the preceding several years during which the UN was attempting to verify that premise. Another fact, whether Saddam had WMD or not is no longer a worry for us, his Middle East neighbors, or the rest of the world, thanks to Bush Administration, the Congress, and the coalition.

My argument is that no normal President or Congress, for that matter (they did overwhelmingly, not even a close vote, sanction and fund the invasion in case you forgot or prefer to overlook that truth) would have put the American people in the crosshairs of the perceived threat, well evidenced, worldwide, that a Head of State like Saddam Hussein had WMD, WMD programs, an Officer of Al Qaeda living in Baghdad, and a less than loving nature toward the US and his neighbors.

“The worst foreign policy blunder in history”. That is nothing more than an opinion, a wrong one, and hardly based on any reasonably historical fact. “May be the worst military disaster in our history”; I appreciate the qualifying “may” reference as the war isn’t over and seems to be going considerably better now that General Betray Us (that was despicable) and the Surge are proving to be such a success. So far, the military’s performance can’t be legitimately challenged. They took Baghdad in about two weeks in a decided defeat of the Republican (you should really appreciate that) Guard and his regular army. That military action had Saddam and his murdering, raping sons looking for a safe place to hide. That didn’t work out very well for them either.

I hope it will not be lost on your readers that of the two “world class liars” you eagerly and happily choose to believe Saddam Hussein over your President (he is your President if you are an American citizen, get over it) and the Congress, including many of your past champions, Lieberman, “Chappaquiddick Man”, the four month war hero (he voted against it before he voted for it) Kerry, Clinton (both), and many others. The list of Democrats in Congress who supported the war, who screamed about the threat of Saddam, who vociferously condemned Saddam, is way too long to go into here. Maybe Madison can compile the complete list for you. Please, if there are any delusions going around, I respectfully submit, they are your own.

Good morning,
Monroe

Editors,

Not only do you allow “pensitoes” to lie, you do it yourself. You said that “ALL” conservative websites refuse to allow any criticism of Bush or Republican policies. NOT TRUE!

I just went onto freerepublic.com, for the very first time ever, and discovered you either don’t know what you’re talking about or you have lied.

I saw lots of reader entries which were in opposition to Bush policies.

Now, I didn’t see any with the vitriolic hate speech I see on pensito but I believe that’s simply a case of Republicans just being more polite and tolerant than Democrats.

Monroe

i thought i smelled something stinky. it’s a TROLL. gross!

Raz,

Read my comments again and this time attempt to muster all the intellect you can manage, rather than just using your nose. No doubt, to you it will still stink but you may learn something although it may be difficult. Go slow and concentrate. Please, no further response is required.

Ciao for niao; film at 11,
Monroe

Madison, Editors, and Truth Police,

OK, let’s not all jump for joy but this will be my last posting.

I just finished reading Ann Coulter’s latest book. Something about Democrats and brains; two words I seldom think of together. You wouldn’t like it. This is my first Coulter book and to me, it begs for more. You can credit Ann with my decision to leave your intellectually barren site.

I assume you’ve chosen to withdraw from any interaction with me. I can only surmise it’s because you can’t compete and based on what I’ve seen from you, so far, that is the conclusion I’ve come to.

I came to the table with facts, one error, perjury rather than comtempt of court regarding Clinton, and all you seem able to do is point me to a ‘92 video purported to be of a drunken Bush, a ‘67 article from that bastion of treasonous leaks of classified information, The NYT, and a complete listing of only Republican sex trysts. Next you tell me that you and any others, of whom you approve, can lie unabashedly but any unintentional misstatement on my part, is fodder for your self-rightousness. Well, enough. You have brought me to the realization, unfortunately, that most of your political ilk are only interested in spewing hate speech, unsubstantiated charges and “ancient scuttlebutt”. I don’t recall reading a single comment of indignant disdain for Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, or Al Qaeda. You’ve all convinced me, I wouldn’t have believed it, that you would prefer America to lose in Iraq or pretty much anywhere else. You tend to side with America’s enemies and love hearing of any setback to America’s efforts. You actually hate that the Surge is working. You have no regard for Afghans, Iraqis, or anyone else who might benefit from the attempted establishment of self rule, free market capitalism, free speech, certainly not freedom of religion, the destruction of Islamic Fundamentalism, or a stable and peaceful Middle East. You will always be against any attempt of the Bush Administration to succeed on that behalf. As Bush said at the outset, this will be a hard fought and protracted undertaking. The next President and likely a few successors will be faced with keeping this country’s citizens safe and you may as well be prepared for the next President, no matter who, to be faced with the business of determining who and where the terrorists are and what they’re planning and I assure you, they are planning. No, your site isn’t to be taken seriously so I don’t plan to ever come back to participate in your farce.

Don’t bother to respond. I’m sure I’m not interested nor will I ever see it.

Monroe

GRandma used to say: can’t argue with crazy.

Earl, you have a smart granny.