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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/05/27/iran-bushs-nuclear-option-for-a-mccain-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-597779</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First the Democrats blindly follow Obama ... now, they are willing to blindly follow Reid, Bush and Paulson ... in a decision which could dramatically affect every American for decades. Well, thank God, Senator John McCain doesn&#039;t just want to take a few people&#039;s word for it. Already, Reid has tried to tack additional pork to this bailout. I didn&#039;t think I could dislike inept Harry Reid, with his 15% approval rating, any more than I already did, but this isn&#039;t about Reid being left alone to decide America&#039;s future. It will be interesting to look at this in retrospect, to see if we really did have to RUSH this 750 Billion dollar decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First the Democrats blindly follow Obama &#8230; now, they are willing to blindly follow Reid, Bush and Paulson &#8230; in a decision which could dramatically affect every American for decades. Well, thank God, Senator John McCain doesn&#8217;t just want to take a few people&#8217;s word for it. Already, Reid has tried to tack additional pork to this bailout. I didn&#8217;t think I could dislike inept Harry Reid, with his 15% approval rating, any more than I already did, but this isn&#8217;t about Reid being left alone to decide America&#8217;s future. It will be interesting to look at this in retrospect, to see if we really did have to RUSH this 750 Billion dollar decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Persephone&#8217;s Haven &#187; 3â€ diam. buttons - McCain/Armageddon/Apocalypse - pinback or magnet back</title>
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		<dc:creator>Persephone&#8217;s Haven &#187; 3â€ diam. buttons - McCain/Armageddon/Apocalypse - pinback or magnet back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCain thinks singing &#8220;bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran&#8221; was funny (see You Tube video footage here and has made it clear he plans to go to war with Iran; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] McCain thinks singing &#8220;bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran&#8221; was funny (see You Tube video footage here and has made it clear he plans to go to war with Iran; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: daniel gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There are too many bodies in shallow graves under the lawn and in the rose garden, too fresh and reahttp://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/05/27/iran-bushs-nuclear-option-for-a-mccain-victory/Kearney Little League&#039;s best gather for all-star games Kearney HubKEARNEY ?? The Kearney Little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There are too many bodies in shallow graves under the lawn and in the rose garden, too fresh and reahttp://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/05/27/iran-bushs-nuclear-option-for-a-mccain-victory/Kearney Little League&#8217;s best gather for all-star games Kearney HubKEARNEY ?? The Kearney Little [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably because you were solid for Edwards at that point. I was squishy for Richardson and looking around. This was a significant moment for me in re. Obama. His rhetoric and actions diverged. Left me less than impressed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably because you were solid for Edwards at that point. I was squishy for Richardson and looking around. This was a significant moment for me in re. Obama. His rhetoric and actions diverged. Left me less than impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Austoon Daily &#187; Iran: Bushâ€™s Nuclear Option for a McCain Victory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austoon Daily &#187; Iran: Bushâ€™s Nuclear Option for a McCain Victory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/05/27/iran-bushs-nuclear-option-for-a-mccain-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-517302</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m seeing no ducking or weaseling in his official statement quoted above, which is public record, and which can be easily quoted back to him and thrown in his face by any 527 that wants to. But then, I wasn&#039;t looking for any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seeing no ducking or weaseling in his official statement quoted above, which is public record, and which can be easily quoted back to him and thrown in his face by any 527 that wants to. But then, I wasn&#8217;t looking for any.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I said Clinton was pandering, which is posturing. If Obama thought voting on giving Bush a blank check to go into Iran was important, he would have missed the fundraiser or postponed it a few hours. He had nothing else on his schedule until later in the day. 

What Obama can be called on here is, well, audacity: Preaching a new style of politics while engaging in ducking and weaseling on an issue and then criticizing his opponent who took a stand. There&#039;s nothing new about that. It&#039;s standard Washington politics, the way I see it. (But then, so is running against &quot;Washington politics.&quot; Bush II in 2000, Bill Clinton in 1992, Reagan in 1980 and Carter in 1976 did it with great success. None of them were actually in office in Washington when they ran against Washington, however.)

Still, Obama wins on tactics. This amendment was a sham, and he deftly avoided allowing it to become the subject of a 527 ad against him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I said Clinton was pandering, which is posturing. If Obama thought voting on giving Bush a blank check to go into Iran was important, he would have missed the fundraiser or postponed it a few hours. He had nothing else on his schedule until later in the day. </p>
<p>What Obama can be called on here is, well, audacity: Preaching a new style of politics while engaging in ducking and weaseling on an issue and then criticizing his opponent who took a stand. There&#8217;s nothing new about that. It&#8217;s standard Washington politics, the way I see it. (But then, so is running against &#8220;Washington politics.&#8221; Bush II in 2000, Bill Clinton in 1992, Reagan in 1980 and Carter in 1976 did it with great success. None of them were actually in office in Washington when they ran against Washington, however.)</p>
<p>Still, Obama wins on tactics. This amendment was a sham, and he deftly avoided allowing it to become the subject of a 527 ad against him.</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Clinton hanging on until the bitter end to vote &quot;yes&quot; to give Bush more rope with Iran was NOT political posturing? But Obama waiting and waiting and then, when forced to go, issuing a clear statement against such a move is ducking the issue? All righty then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Clinton hanging on until the bitter end to vote &#8220;yes&#8221; to give Bush more rope with Iran was NOT political posturing? But Obama waiting and waiting and then, when forced to go, issuing a clear statement against such a move is ducking the issue? All righty then.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This amendment was DINO Lieberman making mischief in the Democratic primary for his friend John McCain. It was an attempt to get the Dems on the record for the general election, when a vote against declaring the Iranian elite guard a terrorist group could be used as ammunition by the GOP to accuse the Dem nominee of being &quot;soft on terror.&quot;

I remember thinking at the time that Obama had ducked it. It was this incident that led me to look into his voting record, which is when I discovered that he voted &quot;present&quot; dozens of times in the Illinois Senate and a few times in the U.S. Senate before he started campaigning.

The vote was discussed in the debate that night, including this from Mike Gravel: &quot;There was a vote in the Senate today -- Joe Lieberman, who authored the Iraq resolution, has offered another resolution, and it [is] essentially a fig leaf to let George Bush go to war with Iran. And I want to congratulate Biden for voting against it, Dodd for voting against, and I&#039;m ashamed of you, Hillary, for voting for it. You&#039;re not going to get another shot at this, because what&#039;s happened if this war ensues -- we invade and they&#039;re looking for an excuse to do it. And Obama was not even there to vote.&quot;

A few days later, Obama criticized Clinton&#039;s vote in an interview with the AP: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;There&#039;s nothing wrong with identifying the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, but it is a problem when you start using Iran as a justification for troop structures in Iraq and providing language that could potentially lead to military action in Iran,&quot; Obama told The Associated Press on Monday following a campaign event in Nashua. Obama missed the vote on the resolution because he was campaigning in New Hampshire.

&quot;Sen. Clinton and others should have learned from 2002 that if you give President George Bush a blank check that he&#039;ll cash it. You&#039;ve got to be very cautious and very sober regarding any kind of language or rationale that leads him to make more disastrous foreign policy decisions,&quot; Obama said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t agree with Clinton&#039;s vote. As Sharkey said, she was pandering to the middle in the general election. But she went on the record, right or wrong. Obama&#039;s priority was to leave Washington that morning to attend a fundraiser, which either demonstrates his real thoughts about how unimportant this nonbinding &quot;sense of the Senate&quot; vote was -- or he ducked it in order not go on the record with a &quot;no&quot; vote which, though it would have pleased his supporters in the primaries, would have been ammunition against him in the general.

All that being said, on tactics, he did the right thing by defusing this issue in the general. There won&#039;t be 527 ads saying, &quot;Obama voted against declaring Iran a terror state.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This amendment was DINO Lieberman making mischief in the Democratic primary for his friend John McCain. It was an attempt to get the Dems on the record for the general election, when a vote against declaring the Iranian elite guard a terrorist group could be used as ammunition by the GOP to accuse the Dem nominee of being &#8220;soft on terror.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember thinking at the time that Obama had ducked it. It was this incident that led me to look into his voting record, which is when I discovered that he voted &#8220;present&#8221; dozens of times in the Illinois Senate and a few times in the U.S. Senate before he started campaigning.</p>
<p>The vote was discussed in the debate that night, including this from Mike Gravel: &#8220;There was a vote in the Senate today &#8212; Joe Lieberman, who authored the Iraq resolution, has offered another resolution, and it [is] essentially a fig leaf to let George Bush go to war with Iran. And I want to congratulate Biden for voting against it, Dodd for voting against, and I&#8217;m ashamed of you, Hillary, for voting for it. You&#8217;re not going to get another shot at this, because what&#8217;s happened if this war ensues &#8212; we invade and they&#8217;re looking for an excuse to do it. And Obama was not even there to vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>A few days later, Obama criticized Clinton&#8217;s vote in an interview with the AP: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There&#8217;s nothing wrong with identifying the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, but it is a problem when you start using Iran as a justification for troop structures in Iraq and providing language that could potentially lead to military action in Iran,&#8221; Obama told The Associated Press on Monday following a campaign event in Nashua. Obama missed the vote on the resolution because he was campaigning in New Hampshire.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sen. Clinton and others should have learned from 2002 that if you give President George Bush a blank check that he&#8217;ll cash it. You&#8217;ve got to be very cautious and very sober regarding any kind of language or rationale that leads him to make more disastrous foreign policy decisions,&#8221; Obama said.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t agree with Clinton&#8217;s vote. As Sharkey said, she was pandering to the middle in the general election. But she went on the record, right or wrong. Obama&#8217;s priority was to leave Washington that morning to attend a fundraiser, which either demonstrates his real thoughts about how unimportant this nonbinding &#8220;sense of the Senate&#8221; vote was &#8212; or he ducked it in order not go on the record with a &#8220;no&#8221; vote which, though it would have pleased his supporters in the primaries, would have been ammunition against him in the general.</p>
<p>All that being said, on tactics, he did the right thing by defusing this issue in the general. There won&#8217;t be 527 ads saying, &#8220;Obama voted against declaring Iran a terror state.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 03:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K., Jon, I&#039;m not sure why we&#039;re going there but here goes...Politico says the vote on Kyl-Lieberman was originally scheduled for the previous evening. Majority Leader Harry Reid pulled the vote and moved it to the following afternoon. Obama was present at the time of the original vote, and the morning of the actual vote but was unable to shuffle his schedule indefinitely on such short notice.

This statement was released by his office for the record on the day of the vote: &quot;Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the president that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran. In fact, he thinks that our large troop presence in Iraq has served to strengthen Iran - not weaken it. He believes that diplomacy and economic pressure, such as the divestment bill that he has proposed, is the right way to pressure the Iranian regime. Accordingly, he would have opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment had he been able to vote today.&quot;

You didn&#039;t say he was ducking the vote or avoiding going on record but if that&#039;s what you&#039;re thinking, this statement would contradict it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K., Jon, I&#8217;m not sure why we&#8217;re going there but here goes&#8230;Politico says the vote on Kyl-Lieberman was originally scheduled for the previous evening. Majority Leader Harry Reid pulled the vote and moved it to the following afternoon. Obama was present at the time of the original vote, and the morning of the actual vote but was unable to shuffle his schedule indefinitely on such short notice.</p>
<p>This statement was released by his office for the record on the day of the vote: &#8220;Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the president that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran. In fact, he thinks that our large troop presence in Iraq has served to strengthen Iran &#8211; not weaken it. He believes that diplomacy and economic pressure, such as the divestment bill that he has proposed, is the right way to pressure the Iranian regime. Accordingly, he would have opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment had he been able to vote today.&#8221;</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t say he was ducking the vote or avoiding going on record but if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re thinking, this statement would contradict it.</p>
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