Comments on: Mormons Have Done It Now

By: roger

roger — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:14:50 +0000

What’s wrong with mormons?

By: Dot

Dot — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:44:11 +0000

if your group jon is so into love and peace you should show it. All of your responses in these blogs have been rude and unsympathetic. If mormons were that intersted in being in politics they would have told all the members to cote for Romney and that did not happen. Look, you need to know that the standard of truth has been erected; No un hallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done.
It’s not about hate jon, it is about protecting rights, and mormons and blacks and latinos….have rights as well.

By: Dot

Dot — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:00 +0000

Actually kittywaymo is right.

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:25:13 +0000

You’re just plain wrong, kittywamo. Get your facts straight. Mormons donated nearly 50% of the funds for Prop 8, according to Yes on 8 itself. The Prop won with only 52% of the vote. (But there are still over 1 million votes that have not been counted, and now there is word that votes may have been stolen by the Yes on 8 side.)

Also, there is no right in this country to donate secretly to political causes. Donors to Prop 8 knew when they sent money that their names would be made public by the government. Every donor had to fill out a form with name and address, in full knowledge that their identities had to be public information.

Just as surely as they had a right to donate, their opponents have a right guaranteed by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution to criticize them for it.

The Mormon Church has revealed itself this year to be a hate group trying to suck up to the evangelical right. All the good works the church might do from now on won’t ever disguise the ugly, vengeful face it has revealed to millions of Americans who’d never heard of the church until now.

If you’re really into love and peace, you need to spend your time trying to drag your fellow Mormons into the 21st century, rather than wasting your time here trying to goad gay people into giving up their civil rights — because that is never going to happen.

By: kittywaymo

kittywaymo — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:35:48 +0000

hi..few words 4 ya from a former CNN Headline News ND(news director/radio).. get your facts straight(no pun gays, i mean guys and gals)..

1. The California voters DO NOT what traditional marriage redefined, thats 98% leaving 2% LDS private contributors.. the Church is part of a Christian Coalition, unlike Obama…we are definitive of WHO we are and WHERE we are going and WHAT we believe.. it doesn’t change minute to minute.

2. In this country, last I checked, we can contribute as individuals and organizations to ANY proposition we want, without fear of retaliation by small interest groups like the gay political community. Picketing Church’s, making up lies, cursing at Mormons.. is not going to help us love ya’s more…it’s gonna make you look like freaks and weirdo’s.. if you want us to understand, use love, compassion, patience, honesty and respect. I might be sarcastic (I’m a Jew/Mormon from NY with gay family) My fam is not interested in politics, just finding true love, not trying to change everyone into their version of “desire” and “normal”.(I’m talking about my gay relatives) Point being.. stop crying about your loss of prop 8, and start serving your community, making a difference in a childs life, or a senior citizen or the world economy.. guess what.. .the Mormon Church has been doing the previously mentioned things, pouring millions of dollars into philanthropy and medical aid throughout the world.. why not “wake up, and do something more gay community..then dream of your gay america”.. Try to serve and help others

By: Meshe

Meshe — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:55:09 +0000

I'm curious to know what "lies" the Yes on 8 campaign used? Everything I've heard has been verified by neutral sources, on the other had the 'No' campaign can not verify their arguments.

We reserve the right to annotate lies and misstatements. Under the direction of Frank Schubert, the Yes on 8 campaign produced a series of ads based on lies that successfully deceived low-information voters. Many of the ads used homophobia to suggest that school children would be indoctrinated into homosexuality by learning about it, which is not only false but nonsense: Nearly 100 percent of gay people grew up in heterosexual homes but were not "indoctrinated" into heterosexuality. It is bizarre to think that someone can be "turned gay" just by being in the presence of a gay person or by learning that gay people exist. What is truly nauseating here is that Frank Schubert has a gay sister. There is no better example of true conservative "family values" than this. Schubert sold out the civil rights of his own sister for 30 pieces of gold that he collected from liars and bigots who hate her because of who she is. None of the lies in the Yes on 8 campaign were "verified by neutral sources."

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By: Meshe

Meshe — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:41:58 +0000

So the Mormons donated time and money to define marriage between a man and a woman.

Who donated to the ‘No’ side of the campaign? The #1 contributor was the California Teachers Association. That’s right, the teachers used their union dues to push gay marriage. Why?

Maybe Massachusetts could help us understand.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1815825713

We reserve the right to annotate hate speech. Tony Perkins, the presenter in the above video, is a professional homophobe. He makes his living as head of the hate group, Family Research Council, which, despite its quasi-friendly sounding name, has just one evil purpose: persecuting and restricting the civil rights of gay people. (Perkins has had past dealings with Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke, which tells you all you need to know about him.)

To see a video of Perkins being nailed for repeatedly lying, see this story, Savage Vs. Psycho: Dan Savage Debates Prop 8 with Professional Homophobe Tony Perkins.

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By: jason

jason — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:54:08 +0000

Gay marriage has never been an issue while it remains a marriage conducted by and between gay people under their own gay ‘marriage’ ceremonies and such.It becomes an issue when they want to intermingle it with the religious issue of Marriage between heterosexuals.
Does nt anyone realize that this is not only seen as undermining heterosexual Marriage it IS jUST THAT; i.e, a deliberate act to subvert and undermine heterosexual Marriage and the Sanctity of that Marriage under God.
If all you want is the rights that Married people have then you should simply set up your own Gay religion and campaign to have these ‘partnerships’ sanctioned by Law.
Why you need the Law aspect of Marriage at all beats me anyway.Marriage is made under the LAW OF GOD not under the Law of men; and besides if you want a partnership ‘contract’ then go ahead and make one; no one is stopping you..

By: jason

jason — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:40:33 +0000

At least the Mormoms are peacful and don’t do violence or make bullying demonstrations; but hey anyone has a right to protect themselves or should you just stand in a corner while you are robbed and or violated? Just a thought.
If you cannot concede that others have a right to say what they like then you ca n’t either.

By: Smarter than all of you

Smarter than all of you — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:43:44 +0000

I researched the contribution process and there is no way for any of you to know how much was contributed by anyone.... And anyone that would donate money because your church asked you to, is an idiot. And those of you who believe these mormans did this are even bigger idiots.

We reserve the right to correct misstatements in comments. The list of donors for and against Prop 8 and how much each gave is public information and widely available. Click here to search. Click here to see an example of search results. This one shows all donors from California. - Editors