Comments on: GOP Obama Supporter Proposes Prop 8 Compromise: Civil Unions for All, Leave ‘Marriage’ to Churches

By: Dan

Dan — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:16:42 +0000

I can see alot of religious people being mad if their heterosexual marriage is called a civil union by the state. There was a news article a while back before prop 8 passed and the marriage licence form said party A and party B and there where people mad that their marriage licence didn’t say bride and groom. Add to this the confusion and legal complications that such as change would make, all to protect the word marriage form homosexuals. However since religion keeps the term marriage under this compromise and since there are religious denominations that are willing to marry same sex couples there would be gays and lesbians who would be bestode the status of married under this duel system of Civil Unions from the Gov’t and Marriage from religion. I doubt religious minded people would like that very much.

Rather than turn the whole system upside down to try to keep the word marriage away from homosexuals people need to grow up and realize the difference between a civil marriage and a religious marriage. Civil marriage is what is at issue here is not religious marriage. In a secular society it is the civil marriage that bestows all rights, responsibilites, and benifits to the couple and this should be equal availabel to everyone gay or straight. Religious marriages are performed at the discrestion of the religious body in question, some of these groups will not marry gays because that is their belief, while some will. People do not need to fear that their church or priest will have to preform or bless same sex marriage. Even today certain religions will not marry people who are not a part of their religion or if one or both of the parties have had a previous marriage (ie. have had a devorce), despite the fact that it is perfectly legal for devorced people to marry or people with different religious backgrounds to marry. No one has forced these chruches to preform these ceremonies despite the fact that people seek a marriage where legal entitled to a civil marriage licence, the same will be true with same sex marriage.

By: Max

Max — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:25:05 +0000

Once again jon you have proven you can’t read. Or at least understand what I am really saying. This is ridiculous.

By: Jon

Jon — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:03:20 +0000

The idea that you think gay people would/should want to hide who they are says it all.

There is nothing wrong with being gay.

By: Max

Max — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:54:42 +0000

Do you know how to read jon? I don’t think you do or else you would have gotten my ideas straight but that’s ok. There is no offense I just feel sorry for you. I do think you are rude, and don’t really think of anyone but you. Please go into a black church and tell them how much you can relate to their ancestors going through slavery. Not just one or two but thousands. If they didn’t die from being slaves it was a lynching or being slaughtered or being whipped to death or something worse. You are a human jon and therefore do deserve rights. If you could actually read you would know that I never said gays are second class citizens or that they shouldn’t have rights. That is just what you want to see from your bitter selfish biased point of view. There are many others types of people in the world than gays. But at least if you needed to or wanted to you could hide that. Try hiding the color of your skin. It’s too bad you are not more open to other peoples views and opinions. All you have done is shot down my opinions and those of my friends and others. No wonder prop 8 was passed. Those who might have sat on the fence with the gay community have now been pushed over to the other side, the yes on 8 side, because of the actions of no on 8 protesters. I am out. You don’t want to talk, you want to shoot down bash and destroy peoples standards morals and beliefs. Good bye jon. Have a good life, you like everyone else deserve one.

By: Jon

Jon — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:16:46 +0000

Let me get this straight, Max. You have said gay people are second-class citizens who don’t deserve rights straight people enjoy under our civil, non-theocratic government because God said says so, that homosexuality is a illness, that it is immoral, that the suffering of gays at the hands of others — including assumedly the thousands of gay men and women who were gassed in concentration camps by the Nazis, Mathew Shepherd who was tied to a fence and beaten to death in Wyoming, Ryan Skipper who was stabbed dozens of times and left to die on a dirt road in Florida, 13-year-old Larry King who was shot to death by a classmate in Oxnard, the Iranian teenagers who were beheaded on the public square last year or any of the thousands of men being raped in US prisons today, for example — that their persecution is not comparable with the persecution of blacks and women.

But I hurt your feelings by saying that until there is justice on this issue there will be no peace between Americans who advocate for social justice and homophobic Mormons and Christians.

By: Max

Max — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:20:55 +0000

jon you are really a weird guy. I will discourage my friends from getting onto this site. You are selfish and rude. I did leave with good feelings in my heart towards you but you just took those and smashed them into the ground. I feel sorry for you. Your joy is only temporary. Good grief.

By: Jon

Jon — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:45:55 +0000

No justice, no peace, Max.

By: Max

Max — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:09:09 +0000

I wanted to say thank you for your responses and I hope someday we can all come to a peace about this. Take care, jon. It has been good for me to talk with you. Goodbye.

By: Kira

Kira — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:39:47 +0000

I find it hard to believe someone knows so many homosexuals who have “changed.” If it’s true – they were probably people who were experimenting with their sexuality.

And we can see there is a certain percentage of the population that masquerades as something they are not – for whatever reason.

That phenomena will continue whether the LGBT community gains the right to marry or not.

Truly, if Christ came back today, he would be horrified by those who are using HIS NAME to define their religion while going against HIS teachings.

Bush [the religious right] Plays Christians for Suckers Yet Again

…A constitutional amendment banning gay marriage…is not one of the pressing issues of our time. Prohibiting same-sex unions would have absolutely no effect on the state of traditional marriage. Britney Spears’, whose first marriage lasted less than a day has done much more to denigrate traditional marriage than gay couples have.

Catholics worked this out a long time ago: If you wish to be married in the church, you must follow the teachings of the church. Otherwise, you can go to the courthouse, or you can find another church that suits your beliefs.

What Dobson [focus on the family] and his followers are trying to impose is a Christian version of sharia religious law. That wouldnâ€™t bode well for an Iraqi democracy, and it wouldnâ€™t bode well for this democracy, either.

â€œWouldnâ€™t bode wellâ€ indeed. It is deadly!

That kind of political-religious power turns religious zeal into persecution and murder – as we have seen in American history, abundantly in European history, and in several Muslim countries in recent years.

I am not over-reacting here; this IS in human nature, and it is very prevalent in human history. It is a good part of what the Founders and the Constitution were trying to protect us from.

By: Kira

Kira — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:15:24 +0000

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