Comments on: Jesus Worshipers Run Amok in Florida Public School http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/ News and Opinion on Politics and Media Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:12:35 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Freedom 4 all http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-703931 Freedom 4 all Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:32:40 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/#comment-703931 What a beautifully written piece. The St. Augustine Record & Florida Times Union (Johns & Duval County newspapers ) neglected to print any negative details on Joyner. They apparently are spineless and must be owned in some way by this group. Why else show any allegience to them by omitting facts in their articles? Way to go Trish !! What a beautifully written piece. The St. Augustine Record & Florida Times Union (Johns & Duval County newspapers ) neglected to print any negative details on Joyner. They apparently are spineless and must be owned in some way by this group. Why else show any allegience to them by omitting facts in their articles? Way to go Trish !!

]]> By: da lurker http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-685782 da lurker Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:22:05 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/#comment-685782 For a second i thought the chatter with angles was a "death with dignity" statement. Oh well. (A religion where there is nirvana after death but you cant die no matter how long and much you suffer, %@$#*^!). For a second i thought the chatter with angles was a “death with dignity” statement. Oh well. (A religion where there is nirvana after death but you cant die no matter how long and much you suffer, %@$#*^!).

]]> By: Proudly leftbehind http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-685530 Proudly leftbehind Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:23:39 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/#comment-685530 As a music teacher I have no problem with some religiously oriented music used in context, especially spirituals. I've done many spirituals in the past and will continue to do them as they are examples of peoples' hopes and aspirations especially in a time when they had very little hope and I am definitely an irreligious person. Many of them were not only used in a "religious" sense but as "code" songs in the days of the Underground Railroad and as such they are historically significant. BTW "Chatter With the Angels" is a traditional Spiritual that can be found in some secular K-5 music texts and it's unfair to put it in the same bag as that Diamond Rio song. I will not force a child to sing a song that is against his or her beliefs and at my programs have allowed children to participate but to come in late or leave early if they or their parents objected to some material. The Supreme Court decisions, though, have upheld the right to use Religious Music in programs as long as it is not used to the exclusion of other music or to proselytize. For example, the old christmas concert is now a winter holiday concert and other traditions are celebrated, but if I were to do a whole concert of just carols that would be a problem in a public school setting. That decision also stated that almost all of the great music of the past was religiously oriented and if you cut it all you would be cutting out a large body of awesome music. There is, however, no comparison to any part of a Mozart Mass and that nonsense by Diamond Rio . If you would like more info you could probably get it from the local supervisor of music ed in your district provided that the district wasn't totally Bible Belt. As a music teacher I have no problem with some religiously oriented music used in context, especially spirituals. I’ve done many spirituals in the past and will continue to do them as they are examples of peoples’ hopes and aspirations especially in a time when they had very little hope and I am definitely an irreligious person. Many of them were not only used in a “religious” sense but as “code” songs in the days of the Underground Railroad and as such they are historically significant. BTW “Chatter With the Angels” is a traditional Spiritual that can be found in some secular K-5 music texts and it’s unfair to put it in the same bag as that Diamond Rio song. I will not force a child to sing a song that is against his or her beliefs and at my programs have allowed children to participate but to come in late or leave early if they or their parents objected to some material. The Supreme Court decisions, though, have upheld the right to use Religious Music in programs as long as it is not used to the exclusion of other music or to proselytize. For example, the old christmas concert is now a winter holiday concert and other traditions are celebrated, but if I were to do a whole concert of just carols that would be a problem in a public school setting. That decision also stated that almost all of the great music of the past was religiously oriented and if you cut it all you would be cutting out a large body of awesome music. There is, however, no comparison to any part of a Mozart Mass and that nonsense by Diamond Rio . If you would like more info you could probably get it from the local supervisor of music ed in your district provided that the district wasn’t totally Bible Belt.

]]> By: Mike’s Blog Roundup | My Blog Channel http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-685387 Mike’s Blog Roundup | My Blog Channel Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:41:55 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/#comment-685387 [...] burkha-logic…The Stinque Zombie Bible…Theocracy in California public schools…Runnning amok in FLA. public schools…Jim Wallis, Lefty?…Saudi government upholds child [...] [...] burkha-logic…The Stinque Zombie Bible…Theocracy in California public schools…Runnning amok in FLA. public schools…Jim Wallis, Lefty?…Saudi government upholds child [...]

]]> By: Tom The Patriot http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-685374 Tom The Patriot Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:15:44 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/#comment-685374 Don't forget to e-mail and cc. the head of the FL Dept. of Education at Commissioner@fldoe.org They love to hear that schools are more interested in making students sing about god than that silly No Child Left Behind thing. Don’t forget to e-mail and cc. the head of the FL Dept. of Education at Commissioner@fldoe.org

They love to hear that schools are more interested in making students sing about god than that silly No Child Left Behind thing.

]]> By: Nikolai http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-685113 Nikolai Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:09:05 +0000 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/04/22/jesus-worshipers-run-amok-in-florida-public-school/#comment-685113 Reading this reminds me of an incident when my son was in elementary school. It was a few months after 9/11, and his teacher and teacher's aide assembled the children to attention, and with the aide standing in front of the class, they started singing and ordered the children to sing along with "My Country Tis of Thee", only they substituted "He is Our King" for Let Freedom Ring" referring to GWB. At the end of the song, the aide let the flag touch the floor, and one of the more impish boys in the class said, "You have to burn that flag now since it touched the ground," and the aide ran to the janitor's closet and came back with some flammable cleaning fluid and was about to light the flag on fire until the teacher stopped her. I have repeated this story here exactly as my son related it to me. Reading this reminds me of an incident when my son was in elementary school. It was a few months after 9/11, and his teacher and teacher’s aide assembled the children to attention, and with the aide standing in front of the class, they started singing and ordered the children to sing along with “My Country Tis of Thee”, only they substituted “He is Our King” for Let Freedom Ring” referring to GWB. At the end of the song, the aide let the flag touch the floor, and one of the more impish boys in the class said, “You have to burn that flag now since it touched the ground,” and the aide ran to the janitor’s closet and came back with some flammable cleaning fluid and was about to light the flag on fire until the teacher stopped her. I have repeated this story here exactly as my son related it to me.

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