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	<title>Comments on: Mormon Church Quietly Endorses Polygamous Marriages of Excommunicated Fundamentalists &#8211; in the Afterlife</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-714092</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all of this &quot;by proxie&quot; ritualistic, posthumous temple sanctioned sealings, baptisms, marriages and ordinances are part of Mormonism (and they are...I was one, in a modern non-fundamentalist local Ward in the suburbs-not the backwoods of Idaho), what&#039;s the point of living anything other than a hedonistic, self gratifying, indulgent existence, when all my remaining Mormon &quot;loved ones&quot; will perform all these religiously sanctioned things for me &quot;by proxie&quot; in multi-million dollar temples when I&#039;m dead? My mom has been doing baptisms, sealings and endowments by proxie for non-Mormon dead relatives for 40 years. The other side of genealogy. Where is the &quot;God, the same yesterday, today and forever&quot; rock I can stand on in the latter-day revelation driven Mormon faith?

And who&#039;s to say that a &quot;modern day&quot; revelation 10 years from now won&#039;t nullify what is accepted Mormon religious doctrine today? I remember very well when African Americans would &quot;never&quot; hold keys to the Melchizedek priesthood (&quot;Mormon Doctrine&quot; by Bruce R. McKonkie). Amazingly, that changed by a new revelation right around the time civil rights finally got the voice it deserved. Mr.McKonkie also reveals that polygamy will be the norm in the Celestial kingdom, but it has been removed by a new revelation from the earth for a season (revelation from the US Government-Manifesto 1890). Mormon doctrine still accepts it. They just don&#039;t promote it or openly practice it in the US legally.

And where the heck are those darn golden plates? 

It doesn&#039;t take much time, research and reading to find just how disconnected this organization&#039;s doctrines are, and how questionable the practices and ethics of its founders were. Most of those initial founders (witnesses)interestingly enough, were excommunicated...

The daunting amount of information available about this faith speaks for itself. Too bad most Mormons will only look at their own publications, and look to their own sanctioned propaganda for truth, and not actually look beyond the walls of the Wards to see what the rest of the world can see so clearly. Wonderful, moral people...but really troubling beliefs carefully wrapped in a &quot;Christian&quot; package. When I was a kid, Christians were the Apostate church...now Mormons are Christians. Any wonder we&#039;re confused?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all of this &#8220;by proxie&#8221; ritualistic, posthumous temple sanctioned sealings, baptisms, marriages and ordinances are part of Mormonism (and they are&#8230;I was one, in a modern non-fundamentalist local Ward in the suburbs-not the backwoods of Idaho), what&#8217;s the point of living anything other than a hedonistic, self gratifying, indulgent existence, when all my remaining Mormon &#8220;loved ones&#8221; will perform all these religiously sanctioned things for me &#8220;by proxie&#8221; in multi-million dollar temples when I&#8217;m dead? My mom has been doing baptisms, sealings and endowments by proxie for non-Mormon dead relatives for 40 years. The other side of genealogy. Where is the &#8220;God, the same yesterday, today and forever&#8221; rock I can stand on in the latter-day revelation driven Mormon faith?</p>
<p>And who&#8217;s to say that a &#8220;modern day&#8221; revelation 10 years from now won&#8217;t nullify what is accepted Mormon religious doctrine today? I remember very well when African Americans would &#8220;never&#8221; hold keys to the Melchizedek priesthood (&#8221;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; by Bruce R. McKonkie). Amazingly, that changed by a new revelation right around the time civil rights finally got the voice it deserved. Mr.McKonkie also reveals that polygamy will be the norm in the Celestial kingdom, but it has been removed by a new revelation from the earth for a season (revelation from the US Government-Manifesto 1890). Mormon doctrine still accepts it. They just don&#8217;t promote it or openly practice it in the US legally.</p>
<p>And where the heck are those darn golden plates? </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take much time, research and reading to find just how disconnected this organization&#8217;s doctrines are, and how questionable the practices and ethics of its founders were. Most of those initial founders (witnesses)interestingly enough, were excommunicated&#8230;</p>
<p>The daunting amount of information available about this faith speaks for itself. Too bad most Mormons will only look at their own publications, and look to their own sanctioned propaganda for truth, and not actually look beyond the walls of the Wards to see what the rest of the world can see so clearly. Wonderful, moral people&#8230;but really troubling beliefs carefully wrapped in a &#8220;Christian&#8221; package. When I was a kid, Christians were the Apostate church&#8230;now Mormons are Christians. Any wonder we&#8217;re confused?</p>
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		<title>By: B.M.</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-706240</link>
		<dc:creator>B.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. My. Gosh.  What a bunch of complete nonsense.  The only truth this article has about real LDS, is that they excommunicate people who become polygamists or become a fundamentalist Mormon or whatever they call themselves.  1 husband.  1 wife.  Done.  Those posthumous sealings?  Thats the fundamentalists doing.  Not the real LDS.  If you are going to write something, dont you have to get the facts straight?  Have you ever heard the word &quot;LIBEL&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. My. Gosh.  What a bunch of complete nonsense.  The only truth this article has about real LDS, is that they excommunicate people who become polygamists or become a fundamentalist Mormon or whatever they call themselves.  1 husband.  1 wife.  Done.  Those posthumous sealings?  Thats the fundamentalists doing.  Not the real LDS.  If you are going to write something, dont you have to get the facts straight?  Have you ever heard the word &#8220;LIBEL&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: semi-adult</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-705232</link>
		<dc:creator>semi-adult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all nuts.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will deny you sauce and you will exist forever dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all nuts.</p>
<p>The Flying Spaghetti Monster will deny you sauce and you will exist forever dry.</p>
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		<title>By: Vickif</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-705230</link>
		<dc:creator>Vickif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it only men were allowed multiple wives but women were only allowed one husband?  Also I know my parents would be horrified if they were bound to each other for eternity by someone else&#039;s church than their own.  They were good and proud Roman Catholics not Mormons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it only men were allowed multiple wives but women were only allowed one husband?  Also I know my parents would be horrified if they were bound to each other for eternity by someone else&#8217;s church than their own.  They were good and proud Roman Catholics not Mormons.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forest</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-705229</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings, 

I am somewhat new to this concept but from outside it appears theologically pretentious to claim reign over the land of the dead by proclamations of the living. If anything seems to preempt the power of the ruler of the afterlife, this is it. 

If I read this correctly, the HR and records department of the afterlife is run by existing mortals in Salt Lake City? 

I guess that stands to reason for folks that think the moral accounting of our mortal lives is calculated by bookkeepers in heaven. Heavenl and Earth have a quid pro quo.

Seeing this forum as moderated I am probably typing to the bit bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings, </p>
<p>I am somewhat new to this concept but from outside it appears theologically pretentious to claim reign over the land of the dead by proclamations of the living. If anything seems to preempt the power of the ruler of the afterlife, this is it. </p>
<p>If I read this correctly, the HR and records department of the afterlife is run by existing mortals in Salt Lake City? </p>
<p>I guess that stands to reason for folks that think the moral accounting of our mortal lives is calculated by bookkeepers in heaven. Heavenl and Earth have a quid pro quo.</p>
<p>Seeing this forum as moderated I am probably typing to the bit bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Radkey</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-705139</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Radkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tsoat, my article (that your comments are attached to) specifically refers to ongoing marriage sealing rituals performed in Mormon temples for examples of Mormon fundamentalists who were once excommunicated by the LDS Church because of polygamy. 
 
I have pointed out a major irregularity within your Mormon system. The LDS Church permits marriage sealings for polygamists to be currently performed in its temples, when it once kicked these same polygamists out of its ranks because of polygamy.

The LDS Church has publicly outlawed the practice of polygamy. Yet, at the same time, polygamous unions for dead polygamists (and others) are occurring willy-nilly in LDS temples.  

Leave it up to God to judge, you say. It is your idea, not mine, that all LDS temple &quot;ordinances&quot; are subject to God&#039;s will and God&#039;s judgment.  I believe God&#039;s will and God&#039;s judgment does very well without any LDS rituals.

Just because you say &quot;Christ has required of all men to forgive all men...&quot; does not justify kooky LDS temple practices, like re-baptizing the likes of dead Ted Bundy, or LDS inconsistencies with Mormon fundamentalists, such as I have described in my report and comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsoat, my article (that your comments are attached to) specifically refers to ongoing marriage sealing rituals performed in Mormon temples for examples of Mormon fundamentalists who were once excommunicated by the LDS Church because of polygamy. </p>
<p>I have pointed out a major irregularity within your Mormon system. The LDS Church permits marriage sealings for polygamists to be currently performed in its temples, when it once kicked these same polygamists out of its ranks because of polygamy.</p>
<p>The LDS Church has publicly outlawed the practice of polygamy. Yet, at the same time, polygamous unions for dead polygamists (and others) are occurring willy-nilly in LDS temples.  </p>
<p>Leave it up to God to judge, you say. It is your idea, not mine, that all LDS temple &#8220;ordinances&#8221; are subject to God&#8217;s will and God&#8217;s judgment.  I believe God&#8217;s will and God&#8217;s judgment does very well without any LDS rituals.</p>
<p>Just because you say &#8220;Christ has required of all men to forgive all men&#8230;&#8221; does not justify kooky LDS temple practices, like re-baptizing the likes of dead Ted Bundy, or LDS inconsistencies with Mormon fundamentalists, such as I have described in my report and comments.</p>
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		<title>By: joesdaughter</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-705138</link>
		<dc:creator>joesdaughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tsaot-  Nice try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsaot-  Nice try.</p>
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		<title>By: Tsaot</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-705132</link>
		<dc:creator>Tsaot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, this is my last comment on your site as instead of engaging in an actual conversation, where ideas are shared and an understanding is reached, you attack and twist my words.

As I have stated before, temple ordinances are subject to God&#039;s will. We are in no way taking over God&#039;s judgment, merely preparing for it. I&#039;m sorry that offends you. 

I agree with you that there have been evil men who have had their ordinances done. I understand that you believe that evil men should not have an opportunity for salvation. That is your belief and opinion to hold. You have every right to it.

I believe, however, that Christ has required of all men to forgive all men and that He is the one who decides who will receive His mercy. Those who do evil will be punished for their evil in the afterlife, but not my me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, this is my last comment on your site as instead of engaging in an actual conversation, where ideas are shared and an understanding is reached, you attack and twist my words.</p>
<p>As I have stated before, temple ordinances are subject to God&#8217;s will. We are in no way taking over God&#8217;s judgment, merely preparing for it. I&#8217;m sorry that offends you. </p>
<p>I agree with you that there have been evil men who have had their ordinances done. I understand that you believe that evil men should not have an opportunity for salvation. That is your belief and opinion to hold. You have every right to it.</p>
<p>I believe, however, that Christ has required of all men to forgive all men and that He is the one who decides who will receive His mercy. Those who do evil will be punished for their evil in the afterlife, but not my me.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Radkey</title>
		<link>http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/01/mormosn-endorse-polygamous-after-life-marriages/comment-page-1/#comment-705130</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Radkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Tsaot,” you must obviously believe in an unjust God if murderers and their victims can potentially receive a similar fate in the hereafter. 

In other words, someone can live the life of a murderous and unrepentant criminal while on Earth. Then, after death, he can conveniently repent, posthumously convert to Mormonism, pay no real price for his crimes against humanity, and the “all-knowing” and the “all powerful” God you describe could permit him to live forever with those who have lived non-harmful lives. 

Not only that, our villain, like Ervil LeBaron, can spend eternity having sex and producing spirit offspring with a bevy of wives? Sounds more like a Mormon madhouse than celestial paradise.  

Speaking of villains, as for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young each having hundreds of wives, this is a fact, according to Mormon records. It is not my problem if your church is not more open about this type of ridiculous information. 

Perhaps you could enquire as to which specific online database shows current LDS ordinance data and obtain a log-in to the relevant site, and find out for youself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Tsaot,” you must obviously believe in an unjust God if murderers and their victims can potentially receive a similar fate in the hereafter. </p>
<p>In other words, someone can live the life of a murderous and unrepentant criminal while on Earth. Then, after death, he can conveniently repent, posthumously convert to Mormonism, pay no real price for his crimes against humanity, and the “all-knowing” and the “all powerful” God you describe could permit him to live forever with those who have lived non-harmful lives. </p>
<p>Not only that, our villain, like Ervil LeBaron, can spend eternity having sex and producing spirit offspring with a bevy of wives? Sounds more like a Mormon madhouse than celestial paradise.  </p>
<p>Speaking of villains, as for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young each having hundreds of wives, this is a fact, according to Mormon records. It is not my problem if your church is not more open about this type of ridiculous information. </p>
<p>Perhaps you could enquire as to which specific online database shows current LDS ordinance data and obtain a log-in to the relevant site, and find out for youself?</p>
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		<title>By: Tsaot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tsaot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why yes Helen, we do believe that God is all knowing and all powerful and is capable of infinite thoughts and actions. We do believe that he knows the hearts of men better than we could imagine. We also believe that it is possible for a man to repent after committing a sin and we believe that God is in charge. 

As to hundreds of wives; Wow, that&#039;s news to me. The highest I&#039;ve ever heard of was for Brigham Young at 65.

Joesdaughter -
If you found out that your ancestors, while good people, who were strong in their belief of God, were doomed never to see their creator&#039;s face again because they never had the opportunity to take part in saving ordinances, but that you had the opportunity to correct that and help them along, would you not take it? 

If you found out that it&#039;s possible for your parents, who love each other more than any other, who were married &quot;till death do they part&quot;, to actually have a marriage that allows them to continue to live in their love for one another for time and all eternity, would you not offer it to them?

No, I do not think I&#039;m dishonoring their worthiness of those who lived their lives to the best of their ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why yes Helen, we do believe that God is all knowing and all powerful and is capable of infinite thoughts and actions. We do believe that he knows the hearts of men better than we could imagine. We also believe that it is possible for a man to repent after committing a sin and we believe that God is in charge. </p>
<p>As to hundreds of wives; Wow, that&#8217;s news to me. The highest I&#8217;ve ever heard of was for Brigham Young at 65.</p>
<p>Joesdaughter -<br />
If you found out that your ancestors, while good people, who were strong in their belief of God, were doomed never to see their creator&#8217;s face again because they never had the opportunity to take part in saving ordinances, but that you had the opportunity to correct that and help them along, would you not take it? </p>
<p>If you found out that it&#8217;s possible for your parents, who love each other more than any other, who were married &#8220;till death do they part&#8221;, to actually have a marriage that allows them to continue to live in their love for one another for time and all eternity, would you not offer it to them?</p>
<p>No, I do not think I&#8217;m dishonoring their worthiness of those who lived their lives to the best of their ability.</p>
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