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Rick Warren Compares Gay Marriage to Incest, Pedophilia

UPDATE: Aug. 16, 2010: The video I posted here in 2008 has been removed by YouTube, and the video from BeliefNet does not work. I found a clip from GoodAsYou.org that features Warren’s “money quote” and am posting it to replace the original.

You don’t have to dig too deep to find bigoted statements by Rick Warren, the homophobe who is Obama’s new BFF. Just last week in a video interview, Warren compared gay marriage to incest and pedophilia:

RICK WARREN: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

STEVEN WALDMAN: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

RICK WARREN: Oh I do. …

The favored form of marriage in the Middle East 5,000 years ago was polygamy. Abraham, the father of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, was a polygamist, as were Jacob and the kings David and Soloman. Until the early 19th century, marriage was predominantly a business arrangement between male heads of households.

There’s more to Warren’s statement that was not included in the video:

… Most people, you know … I have many gay friends, I’ve eaten dinner in gay homes, no church has probably done more for people with AIDS than Saddleback Church. Kay and I have given millions of dollars out of “A Purpose-Driven Life” helping people who got AIDS through gay relationships. So they can’t accuse me of homophobia. I just don’t believe in the re-definition of marriage.

Of course, marriage was redefined in the 1967, when the Supreme Court overturned laws against inter-racial marriage in Loving v. Virginia. Doubtless, Pastor Rick is glad marriage was redefined that way. But changing it to accommodate gay rights goes too far.

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Rick ‘America’s Pastor’ Warren Compares Being Gay to Punching Someone in the Nose, Adultery and Arsenic

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Pres. Obama’s favorite bigot, megachurch hatemonger Rick Warren, who once boasted about his ties to Martin Ssempa, a leader in the “kill the gays” movement in Uganda, has stepped in it again:

RICK WARREN: Here’s what we know about life. I have all kinds of natural feelings in my life and it doesn’t necessarily mean that I should act on every feeling. Sometimes I get angry and I feel like punching a guy in the nose. It doesn’t mean I act on it. Sometimes I feel attracted to women who are not my wife. I don’t act on it. Just because I have a feeling doesn’t make it right. Not everything natural is good for me. Arsenic is natural.

You know what else is “natural,” Pastor Rick? Stupidity. Some people are just born that way.

After Barack Obama won the presidency in 2008, he stunned his gay supporters by giving Warren a prominent speaking role at his inauguration. Just weeks before the event, Warren betrayed+ his true colors in an interview when he compared gay marriage to incest and pedophilia. In December 2009, after his relationship with Ssempa and Uganda’s kill-the-gays were exposed, Warren denied they had ever existed.

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Pastor Rick Claims ‘Exhaustion’ for Missed Appearance. Tired of Lying is More Like It

Most viewers of This Week with George Stephanopoulos were surprised Stephanopoulos began the Easter Sunday broadcast with this announcement.

Exhaustion? Isn’t that the diagnosis Hollywood types use as a euphemism for “wasted on drugs” or “too drunk to perform?” And now Pastor Rick had this very malady? So it ain’t so, Rick!

We admit it probably isn’t, but the only other explanation that comes to mind is the third condition “exhaustion” is often used to shield, and that’s dodging the press and public when you’ve done or said something you will never, ever get away with. It’s this category into which the good pastor’s illness most likely falls.

I thought people who lived “purpose-driven lives” didn’t have to spend them explaining, regretting, justifying, and apologizing all the time. Isn’t that the point?

Jon told us how Warren recently appeared on Larry King Live and denied campaigning last year in favor of California’s Proposition 8, which banned same sex marriage. That abundant video evidence exists to the contrary must not have occurred to Warren, at least until after the broadcast, when it was all over T.V. and the web. Had Warren kept his date with This Week, no doubt much of the interview would have been devoted to explaining what Warren said versus what your lying eyes and ears were telling you.

Now Politico has a statement from the Warren camp that only makes the pastor look lamer.

“My understanding was that Dr. Warren’s condition was related to fatigue and exhaustion — which affected his voice — exacerbated by inhalation of fumes from the newly refurbished (but still drying) pulpit used in the televised services the previous night. After initially informing George Stephanopoulos of his inability to pre-tape on Saturday, I put him directly in touch with his chief-of-staff after doctor consultation to pursue the remote possibility of an early [Sunday] AM pre-tape. That turned out to not be a possibility as he had to cancel half of his sermons today, though he was able to preach several of the six services at which he was scheduled to preach.

“There has been a lot of blog chatter trying to connect the dots with the interviews this weekend and comments Dr. Warren made on CNN Larry King Live, but his cancellations were related to health and fatigue…. I was looking forward to the opportunity for him to clarify his position with Messrs. Stephanopoulos and Huckabee (the latter with whom he was to interview live at 2:45 PM EDT on Saturday) to reframe the picture for television viewers the way we had been trying to do on a per-inquiry basis with print outlets by sending out the statement below:

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Pastor Rick Caught Lying about His Support for Prop 8 – Roll the Video

Left: Warren on Larry King’s show this week; right: Warren’s statement endorsing Prop 8 last October

On CNN’s Larry King show this week, megachurch preacher Rick Warren tried to rewrite the history of his opposition to gay marriage and his support of anti-gay Proposition 8 in his home state of California last year.

Lie #1: I Never Issued a Statement Or Endorsed Prop 8

On the King show, Warren said he was “not an anti-gay marriage activist,” and then made two patently false statements about his public pronouncements on gay issues. First he said:

During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never — never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

Warren is wrong about the timeframe. Prop 8 was launched in early 2008 and was over in November, not "two years."

But he was not merely misspeaking when he said he’d “never once issued a statement, never — never once even gave an endorsement” on Prop 8. That was a lie. Here’s a statement from Warren about Prop 8 (see video above on the left) that he videotaped in October:
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Pallin’ Around With Bigots: Obama and Warren


Six degrees?

Sarah Palin overplayed her hand with a guilt by association shot at Obama last fall. Because Obama served on a board with William Ayers, a former Vietnam War protester who bombed empty government buildings back in the day, Obama too must be a terrorist, she claimed. Palin’s logical leap lacked credibility because it defied the space/time continuum. When Ayers was staging antiwar rallies, Obama was 7 or 8 years old. By the time Obama met Ayers as a grown-up, the former radical was a distinguished college professor and civic leader, having been awarded Chicago’s “Citizen of the Year” honor in 1997.

Even though Palin was wrong to characterize Obama as “pallin’ around with terr-ists,” in degrees of separation at least, that relationship was the real deal.

A lot of people on our team correctly shouted Palin down when she made her ridiculous charges, and most people correctly ignored them on election day. What a difference a few short weeks, and one unpopular decision, can make.

This won’t be the last time Obama seems too inclusive of the ideologically impure to suit those who worked hardest to get him elected

Since Obama invited him to give the invocation at his inaugural, many on the left are throwing everything that “purpose-driven” Pastor Rick Warren ever did at Obama. Warren has worked in a missionary capacity with leaders of African countries (some of whom believe that a shower will wash away exposure to AIDS) who have criminalized homosexuality, locking up gays or handing out much harsher punishments.

Warren has also exhorted his followers to become as fanatical about Jesus as Hitler youth were in their convictions. That’s not a pretty picture but it’s also not uncharacteristic for born-agains, who are routinely urged to accept the Bible as inerrant and follow it literally — even the truly wacky stuff.

In spreading the word of Jebus, Warren has probably met a ton of other superstitious bigots, and slapped them on the back for their “good works” besides.

The problem isn’t that Rick Warren believes things we on the left don’t. The problem is our logic that because Obama invited Warren to offer a prayer on Inauguration Day, Obama is therefore advancing not only whatever Rick Warren does, but everything that everyone Rick Warren has ever been associated with does too.

It didn’t hold up when Sarah Palin said it, and it doesn’t hold up now.

This won’t be the last time Obama seems too inclusive of the ideologically impure to suit those who worked hardest to get him elected. I foresee many more such moves, which our side will classify as mistakes. If I ever fall in that category, remind me that I went on record, here and now, as saying that I trust Obama to have a bigger vision than my own, and that I think he’s right that we will get further by talking to everyone, and including everyone, than we will by staying inside our own little belief bubbles. I’m willing to wait and see how it all works out.

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All Openly Gay Obama Cabinet Members Should Resign in Protest over Warren Invite

Oh, wait, there aren’t any openly gay people in Obama’s cabinet:

President-elect Barack Obama last week announced the last of his Cabinet nominees, revealing that none of his department heads would be openly gay. The omission, combined with Obama’s decision to invite Rev. Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration, led [the Human Rights Campaign,] the nation’s largest gay rights group to demand that Obama quickly prove his commitment to gay and transgender Americans.

The HRC’s plan includes:

  • Issuing an executive order within the first 100 days of his administration to reaffirm protections for federal workers based on sexual orientation while expanding them to include gender identity.
  • Working with Congress to enact hate crimes legislation within six months.
  • Developing a plan within 100 days to begin the process of repealing the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” [DADT] law, which prohibits openly gay people from serving in the military.

The first two items are relatively simple, but repealing DADT could be problematic. Not long after Pres. Bill Clinton took office, he stumbled in an attempt to repeal military regulations that prohibited gay people from serving in the military, particularly because he faced opposition from Colin Powell, who then served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as from Democrats on the Senate Armed Services Committee, including the chairman, Sam Nunn of Georgia.

This stumble led to DADT, a bizarre compromise under which gay people can serve in the military as long as they deny who they are and stay in the closet.

Now, 15 years later, Powell has (sort of) reversed himself on DADT, saying it ought to be reevaluated. Sam Nunn retired into much deserved irrelevance years ago. More importantly, at least one national poll indicates that Americans are ready to scrap DADT:

The ABC News/Washington Post Poll, which has tracked the issue for 15 years, shows that public attitudes that were in line with the [DADT] policy in 1993 no longer are.

The poll posed two questions.

The first was: “Do you think that homosexuals who do not publicly disclose their sexual orientation should be allowed to serve in the military?”In 1993, 63 percent said yes; in July 2008, 78 percent said yes.

The second question was: “Do you think that homosexuals who do publicly disclose their sexual orientation should be allowed to serve in the military or not?” In 1993, only 44 percent said yes; in July, 75 percent said yes.

Repealing DADT is still something of a trap for Obama because it could provide ammunition for Republican charges down the road that he is too liberal. A much safer course would be to disinvite Rick Warren from speaking at the inauguration.

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Hate in the House: GOP Rep. Gohmert Piles on Pedophila, Necrophilia Smears against Gays

Following in the footsteps of former Sen. Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum and megachurch preacher Rick Warren, Rep. Louie Gohmert, the jug-eared Texas Republican, took the House floor last week and compared gay people to pedophiles and necrophiliacs:

REP. LOUIE GOHMERT R-TEXAS: The definition of sexual orientation is wide open to all kinds of interpretation. And some day, some court, somewhere, will say, “You know what? Sexual orientation means exactly what those words mean.” If you’re orientated toward animals, bestiality, then, you know, that’s not something that can be used-held against you or any bias be held against you for that. Which means you’d have to strike any laws against bestiality, if you’re orientated toward corpses, toward children, you know, there are all kinds of perversions.

Leaving aside the heartlessness of this sort of rhetoric and the damage it does to gay teens in Texas and elsewhere, it has to be pointed out that Gohmert’s formulation is wrong. When people have sex with children, animals or corpses, the sex acts are non-consensual. When adults choose to have sex with each other, it’s not only consensual, it’s none of Louie Gohmert’s fucking business.

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Slow Learner? No – Obama Shows He Doesn’t Have to Make the Same Mistake Twice

A man who takes an inordinate amount of interest in gay people: Rev. Louie Giglio

John Aravosis at AmericaBlog applauds the announcement from the Obama Inauguration Committee that a Christian pastor who has preached that homosexuality is a “malfunction” that can be cured (cue Macklemore) has been pulled from the roster of the day’s events. Aravosis:

This statement makes it sound more like Giglio was asked to leave, rather than his having parted ways amicably:

Below is a statement from the Presidential Inaugural Committee on Rev. Giglio’s decision to withdraw from the Inaugural Ceremony:

“We were not aware of Pastor Giglio’s past comments at the time of his selection and they don’t reflect our desire to celebrate the strength and diversity of our country at this Inaugural. Pastor Giglio was asked to deliver the benediction in large part for his leadership in combating human trafficking around the world. As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.“ – Addie Whisenant, PIC Spokesperson

That is a GREAT statement. It’s exactly what we could have asked for. Yes, I’d have preferred that this snafu didn’t happen in the first place. But they fixed it perfectly, directly, head-on with no waffling. I didn’t expect this.

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Another GOP Big Lie: Only the Rich – Not Middle Class and Poor – Pay Taxes

chart-taxes-paid-by-poor-middle-classIn their desperation to ensure that taxes are not raised on their corporate sponsors, Republicans have been successful in convincing their followers, as well as their poodles in the corporate media, that only the rich — not the poor and middle class — pay taxes.

That is not just a lie — it is a big lie. Via Andrew Sullivan:

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Gays’ Unease with Obama Ratchets Up Over Firing of Decorated Combat Pilot

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In a dramatic move just hours after author/activist Wayne Besen, founder of Truth Wins Out (TWO), posted a round-up of growing dissent among gay writers and activist arising from Pres. Obama’s lack of progress and even backtracking on gay issues, a decorated Air Force pilot came out of the closet on MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and announced that he was being fired from the military today because of the Obama administration’s failure to act to rescind the ant-gay “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

Here’s an overview of the pilot’s career from Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, writing for the Huffington Post:

Lieutenant Colonel Victor J. Fehrenbach, a fighter weapons systems officer, has been flying the F-15E Strike Eagle since 1998. He has flown numerous missions against Taliban and al-Qaida targets, including the longest combat mission in his squadron’s history. On that infamous September 11, 2001, Lt. Col. Fehrenbach was handpicked to fly sorties above the nation’s capital. Later he flew combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has received at least 30 awards and decorations including nine air medals, one of them for heroism, as well as campaign medals for Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq. He is now a flight instructor in Idaho, where he has passed on his skills to more than 300 future Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force weapons systems officers.

Since 1987, when Fehrenbach entered Notre Dame on a full Air Force ROTC scholarship, the government has invested $25 million in training and equipping him to serve his country, which he has done with what anyone would agree was great distinction. He comes from a military family. His father was a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel, his mother an Air Force nurse and captain. Lt. Col. Fehrenbach has honored that tradition.

And the Air Force is about to discharge this guy, a virtual poster boy for Air Force recruiting, because he is gay? Someone has to be kidding. This is sheer madness.

In his interview with Rachel Maddow, Lt. Col. Fehrenbach said that, until his appearance on her show last night, no one in the Air Force knew he was gay, except for superior officers and military lawyers working on his discharge.

In an email to supporters before Fahrenbach’s surprise announcement yesterday, TWO’s Besen offered a round-up of growing discontent among influential gay writers:

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